Anyone know of any reasonably priced RTC's in Oregon Area?

[Anonymous]

Bears repeating.

Programs don't fix anything, they just force the child to be obedient and regurgitate newage bullshit by making them suffer daily and giving them 'carrots' if they obey, and hurting them if they misbehave outright, and make them feel trapped and tell you to keep them there.

No program has ever proven to do anything, at all, ever, period. They talk about 'emotional growth' and 'parent satisfaction surveys' but they have no therapeutic value.... and frankly no value at all except child warehousing.

Also, if you cant justify what is wrong with him or why he has to be held captive, chances are he shouldnt be, just as AA said.

If you have a REAL MENTAL ILLNESS or something REALLY WRONG you can quantify it. Programs quantify nothing, they just make up stupid reasons to keep you there, to not let you tell your parents how bad it is and keep hurting you until you 'complete the program'. Thats really all its about...

Its just like the stepford wives, minus the computer chips. Unfortunately, its not a comedy movie, and people are really hurt very badly for life in these places.

But its probably a troll anyway. Oh well.

'll assume the original poster wasn't a troll and offer this: if your son is not an imminent threat to his own or another family member's safety, why would you consider institutionalizing him? Is he in danger at home (abuse, neglect, etc.)?

I don't care if some programs are not "bad" in the abusive sense. Any place that is not home is "bad" on many levels. Institutionalizing another human being should only be done in the most extreme circumstances, to prevent serious physical injury, and then it should only be done for the absolute minimum amount of time, under the most carefully supervised and regulated conditions, until the situation is stabilized and the imminent danger has passed.

Why don't people get this? What is so complicated about the idea that kids belong with their loved ones?

[Anonymous]

Bears repeating.

Dammit, was supposed to be Bears rePeteing
 

[Anonymous]

I don't need to spend time looking up "studies" for you. I've spoken with plenty of kids that certain programs did help them. I have also spoken to kids who said they made them worse. Everyone is different, and everyone has different experiences in programs.

[CCM girl 1989]

That was me.

[Anonymous]

Well, then that's your opinion based on anecdotal evidence.  Don't go spouting it off as fact.

[Oz girl]

I don't need to spend time looking up "studies" for you. I've spoken with plenty of kids that certain programs did help them. I have also spoken to kids who said they made them worse. Everyone is different, and everyone has different experiences in programs.

Even if this is the case, how do these kids and or their families know that they would not have gotten the same benefits that a programme offered them another way? It is important to remember that this industry only really exists in one part of the world. Other countries which are yet to give families the option of programmes of any kind have to find other solutions to their kids issues or to try and keep these issues in perspective. As soon as anyone is presented with what seems like an easy option it is of course tempting to take it and become convinced that it is the only choice. When this choice is not available then you are forced to do something different. Sex, drugs, step families, mental illness and shitty attitudes are not unique to American kids. Only programmes as a way of dealing with them are

[CCM girl 1989]

Well, then that's your opinion based on anecdotal evidence.  Don't go spouting it off as fact.

I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to put IMO, or IMHO after everything I post here on fornits?!! Now that I know the rules I promise to obey! Puhleese!!!!!!!!!! :cry2:

[psy]

Well, then that's your opinion based on anecdotal evidence.  Don't go spouting it off as fact.

I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to put IMO, or IMHO after everything I post here on fornits?!! Now that I know the rules I promise to obey! Puhleese!!!!!!!!!! :cry2:

I know a girl who went into program with relatively minor behavioral issues.  When the program dropped her on the streets, she turned to meth.  When you have nothing left to lose...  When i talked to her recently, she thought program helped her.  She was severly mind-fucked by what CEDU students would call "Profeets".  She thinks Program "gave her the tools she needed to survive".  Thank god she decided to join the army (she didn't wan't to be a homeless addict anymore).  Several years later she is relatively fine.  But she still thought program helped her until i started to explain some things.

I asked her exactly what tools she thought the program gave her.  She didn't respond.  I asked her to name one success story, somebody who did well, coming out of the program.  She could not list one.

It is not too hard to deprogram those who think "program helped them".  "Helped" kids are usually just repeating what they were programmed to say until you grab them by the hair and shove them violently down the rabbit hole.

So PLEASE shut the fuck up about "some good programs."  It is not worth taking the risk.  Parents are listening.  If you don't know what you are talking about, DON'T POST!!!!!  Otherwise you may end up doing more harm than good.  OK.

[Covergaard]

Sending a child away from the home can be a choice of two evils.

If the parents are drug- or alcohol-users themselves or they are mentally unable to deal with other human beings, it must be OK by the state to interfere in the interest of the child.

But it must also be clear that it is never a win-win solution. You are only choosing the less evil.

Solving the problem inside the family at the home is number one.

In Denmark, we remove childs from their home too. And we have both foster parents and RTC too. And I have to regret to say that we from time to time shut some down due to abuse of the children. It would be perfect if all employees did their job properly, but sometime not even a thorough job conversation can unveil laziness or missing abilities at the employee.

At least we try and our government monitors the area very carefully. And of course no child can be removed from the home by his parents choice only. They can not even throw the child on the street without being investigated and in some cases ordered into treatment themselves.

But it does not change the fundamental:

1) The optimal solution is solving the problem at home.
2) All other solutions are a choice of less evil.
3) Every decision to remove a child from the home has to be decided by court or by vote in a committee under the town council.

[CCM girl 1989]

Well, then that's your opinion based on anecdotal evidence.  Don't go spouting it off as fact.

I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to put IMO, or IMHO after everything I post here on fornits?!! Now that I know the rules I promise to obey! Puhleese!!!!!!!!!! :cry2:

I know a girl who went into program with relatively minor behavioral issues.  When the program dropped her on the streets, she turned to meth.  When you have nothing left to lose...  When i talked to her recently, she thought program helped her.  She was severly mind-fucked by what CEDU students would call "Profeets".  She thinks Program "gave her the tools she needed to survive".  Thank god she decided to join the army (she didn't wan't to be a homeless addict anymore).  Several years later she is relatively fine.  But she still thought program helped her until i started to explain some things.

I asked her exactly what tools she thought the program gave her.  She didn't respond.  I asked her to name one success story, somebody who did well, coming out of the program.  She could not list one.

It is not too hard to deprogram those who think "program helped them".  "Helped" kids are usually just repeating what they were programmed to say until you grab them by the hair and shove them violently down the rabbit hole.

So PLEASE shut the fuck up about "some good programs."  It is not worth taking the risk.  Parents are listening.  If you don't know what you are talking about, DON'T POST!!!!!  Otherwise you may end up doing more harm than good.  OK.

How dare you tell me to "shut the fuck up". It must be easy to tell me that over the computer. Does that make you feel powerful Psy? Please, you're pathetic.

I've always said for parents to first try to work it out from home. Especially if their kids problems are minor. However when it involves serious drug use, and they refuse to stop, or if they are in danger of hurting other family members or themselves, then they might need to be placed somewhere else. Sorry, do you think it's acceptable that other siblings, or other peoples children get hurt because someone can't control their own child? I will never say all programs are bad, because they are not. But, it's the parents responsibility to do their research.

If they don't, it's possible that their best intentions, can turn into their worst nightmares. Psy, I think you need to add cho to the end of your username. What do you think?

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

But, it's the parents responsibility to do their research.

I'll do the research for you for free!

[Anonymous]

I don't need to spend time looking up "studies" for you. I've spoken with plenty of kids that certain programs did help them. I have also spoken to kids who said they made them worse. Everyone is different, and everyone has different experiences in programs.

Translation:

Don't bother me with facts, I already have my opinions.  You're sounding more and more like them lately.

[Anonymous]

Psy,
You do more harm than good being a pendantic, little twirp with nothing better to do than to take your anger on those around you--even those on your side.  CCM Girl has always represented both sides of this argument fairly.  Who do you think parents will listen to?  A voice of relative reason or your immature tirades?  I may be wrong, but when most parents see or hear the "f" word, they usually tune out.

[Anonymous]

Psy,
I may be wrong, but when most parents see or hear the "f" word, they usually tune out.

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