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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2006, 06:34:49 PM »
Jeff Berryman was more interesting when he was an independent advocate. :rofl:  Lately it seems like he only surfaces when there's another lawsuit filed against WWASPS and he wants to get the word out on who to contact.   He's done it here, on Cafety and probably other forums as well.  He may be a nice guy but he certainly doesn't have much to say that is meaningful to non-wwasps folks.  Psst Jeff - it aint' just about WWASPS.  Ever heard of a program called Whitmore?  HLA?  Both these programs have been sued in case you haven't noticed.  One is even a PURE referred program (Whitmore) but I'm sure you are already aware of that.  So why the silence?  Or have you spoken out and I missed it?  If so, post a link.  I'll be glad to read your opinion.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 06:44:28 PM »
Seriously Jeff, you start a thread called JEFF crows?  What the heck does that mean?  What are people supposed to think here?  Come on, talk to us!  This passive-aggressive kind of posting is getting us nowhere.  I wanna know how you really feel.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2006, 09:01:03 PM »
Get real jeffie.  your great friend Sue-Sue was mocking you when she sent your photo all over to her other "friends"  and here you are trying to defend her  CACKIE-WACKIE.  

dont you see your being used again by Sue-Sue and cackie-wackie?
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2006, 09:15:30 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
What was so funny about the Jeff Berryman picture that Sue/Sue was passing around?
No one seems to care that the only picture floating around of Sue/Sue is the "shot" of her in the red top.  When this same shot was posted on PURE way back when- her daughter was also in it; but the daughter has since been cropped out.
Perhaps Sue/Sue is is just fond of this pose?
Or maybe she doesn't want to post a new one showing her proper, natural, aging process? Who knows? You'd have to ask her.


If this is true, then in my opinion, that's very sad.  Berryman has been advocating against private programs since the late 90's.  Well before Scheff and Isabelle , who from what I can tell, only started CAICA last year.

Jeff, if you're reading may I say that although I do not agree with outfits like PURE who refer to programs who pay a commission (finders' fee) to them because of my concerns about conflict of interest, you (and a few others who were also around at the same time) deserve respect for speaking out when no one else could or would.  

You used to write some good stuff too, but now as posted elsewhere, it seems you are mainly focused on getting the word out about WWASPS lawsuits.  Not that this is bad or wrong, but there are other lawsuits out there that are worthy of the same attention.  It would be nice if you were more even handed and at least acknowledged the suffering of other kids, the hard work of their parents to seek justice, and the advocates who support these families.

Truth be told, It's not all about WWASPS, PURE and CAICA.  

Not by a long shot.

So please wake up and smell the coffee.  And if someone is passing around your picture and making fun, tell them to grow up, because IMO that is a shameful, very immature and unkind thing to do.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2006, 11:25:46 PM »
Quote from: ""Deborah""
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/law-reins-in-wild-webbers/2006/10/12/1160246262871.html

A blog entry about a person will be considered defamatory if reasonable people would think less of the person because of the entry.
[Even if it's true?]

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That was Carey's problem though Deborah. She did not front up to offer a truth defence and the jury awarded against her.
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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2006, 11:52:27 PM »
I miss Jeff Berryman posting here too. I can understand why he left though. WWASPS is a huge organization, and requires a lot of time and attention to fully understand how it works. If he wants to focus on that, and only that, that's his choice.

BTW- I am soooooooooooo tired of the Sue/Izzy/Caica crap. It's getting sooooooooooooo old and crusty reading the same personal insults time and time again. Can you please lay off for a while. It's like feeding me a loaf of burnt toast, giving me no water, then asking me to run a 10k marathon in the 110 degree heat.
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« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2006, 12:09:53 AM »
Indeed. Children are still being fucking tortured here. If you don't have anything nastier to say than the "MGDP reveals" thread, shut the hell up about Sue and Izzy and all that mindless crap.

More takedowns, more lawsuits, less bitching.

Christ I wish I was a mod here. No, I wouldn't delete anything, but I WOULD move all the crap to a special "Sue Scheff" forum where it belongs.
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« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2006, 01:21:20 AM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
I miss Jeff Berryman posting here too. I can understand why he left though. WWASPS is a huge organization, and requires a lot of time and attention to fully understand how it works. If he wants to focus on that, and only that, that's his choice.

BTW- I am soooooooooooo tired of the Sue/Izzy/Caica crap. It's getting sooooooooooooo old and crusty reading the same personal insults time and time again. Can you please lay off for a while. It's like feeding me a loaf of burnt toast, giving me no water, then asking me to run a 10k marathon in the 110 degree heat.


Oh please, posting about WWASPS lawsuits requires a lot of time and attention?  Baawaaahahahaa!  I can do it in 5 minutes or less.

"Listen up, there's a class action lawsuit being filed against WWASPS.  Call the Turley Law FIrm at XXXXXXXXX and have a great day!"

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As for Sue and Izzie, I hit the snooze button about 4 days ago when I realized the jurors only decided damages.

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WHITMORE is the civil lawsuit to watch, IMO along with HLA.  Two very important cases for the troubled teens industry because they focus on non-WWASPS programs --- sending a message of BUYER BEWARE about the entire industry - not just a program attached to one of the larger groups (WWASPS, CEDU).

Now, CCM, even you have to agree It's about time some of these other programs got some press.  Abuse is abuse, doesn't matter what program or how big (small) it is, right?  These children and parents deserve their day in court too, regardless of whether they are ex-wwaspies or not.

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2006, 01:36:55 AM »
Well then write the press yourself about the cases of Whitmore, and HLA. You seem to be a real know it all on those matters. Some of us aren't, or we are busy dealing with other shit. So, if it's not getting done how you would like it to be done.......then do something about it yourself. Afterall, it only takes 5 minutes?  :roll:
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2006, 06:15:30 AM »
I think the important thing to remember is HLA and Whitmore are single facility organizations. WWASP is a very large organization with multiple facilities and a long history of shady business practices and abuse. Investigating and understanding WWASP is a long drawn out process. I have my own doubts that it will be any single lawsuit that will bring WWASP down though. To much money to be made, and the way they have set up their corperate structure almost seems to protect them in some ways from class action law suits.
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2006, 07:30:39 PM »
An Open Letter to Jeff Berryman,

Jeff, it is true that Scheff was passing around your picture and I know because I got a copy 3rd hand with your friend's rude wisecracks.  This woman is a lot of things but she is not your friend.  I won't even tell you what she said about you but it was horrible.  And she continues.  She uses IZZY too but she deserves it.  you do not.

Now, here you are promoting Sue and defending her but you know the truth now.  I'm sorry Jeff that you are one of Sue Scheff's victims too, but have the strength to walk away.  The worst is over with her--just get the hell away from her Jeff.  She an evil manipulating jerk off.  Save yourself.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2006, 10:11:38 PM »
I don't know if this is true or not, but IF it is, then I can not help but wonder if any of these so-called PURE supporters have an ounce of self-respect?  Why would you people tolerate such despictable behavior from this person, Sue Scheff?  Was Jeff Berryman not a member of your own group?  Trying to help you in some way?  I am truly disgusted and hope Jeff has the good sense to move on with his life because there is definitly something wrong with this picture (no pun intended).  In my opinion, it's like you all are back in high school, not grown adults, and parents for christ's sake.  Grow up!

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