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« on: July 18, 2006, 06:03:26 PM »
I am considering sending my son to Abundant Life Academy. I am loking for peoples opinions and thoughts in regards to this program. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2006, 10:05:24 PM »
"Hey! I'm just a random person on the Internet. Hey look. a board filled with hundreds upon hundreds of topics and tens of thousands of posts detailing why it's a mistake to send my kid to religious fundamentalists in Utah.

Hey! I know what I'll do! I'll send my kid to a place run by religious fundamentalists in Utah! Hmm, maybe I should ask first?"

http://www.abundantlifeacademy.com/lead ... ition.html

READ this crap. The pure sadism and concentrated evil shows up right through the monitor. Please do not tell us you're stupid enough to actually send your child to a place like this.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2006, 10:21:20 PM »
Word choice helps us tell fact from fiction
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2006, 10:44:35 PM »
their website states
Jesus is the only answer for your troubled teen
I hope your kid is not jewish or muslim!
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2006, 10:47:41 PM »
I'd like to think the OP is fictional. (I'd like to think this whole business is fictional, actually.)

Three thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars a month to keep your kid incarcerated in the name of Jesus?

I don't know how much you all pay, but I can get Jesus for free.

I really need to get in on this racket. Pay me three thousand bucks a month to take care of your kid.

Hell, if twenty of you do that, I'll pay for a mortgage on a mansion with the cash and everybody gets his own room and damn near all the material goods they could possibly need, because with sixty thousand fucking dollars a month there's little I can't do. I'll even throw in a "no child abuse" stipulation.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2006, 10:53:38 PM »
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2006, 11:52:13 AM »
Woops, forgot the best one. Dialogue with Craig Rogers.
http://wwf.avigation.net/viewtopic.php? ... ig&start=0
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2006, 11:57:14 AM »
///their website states
Jesus is the only answer for your troubled teen
I hope your kid is not jewish or muslim!///

Well really - what chance is there a non Christian family would even consider ALA? About zero I would think.

What ever faults may be present at ALA, at least they aren't pretending to be something other than what they are.

For example, they aren't claming to be free of any religious focus - only to then use the teens as a captive mission field.

Before anyone jumps on me and chews me up - I know I know nothing about how ALA is operating these days. But the fact remains they were good to us. That's all.

Not saying this parent, or any parent, should use ALA, or any program. I'm only saying they were good to us when my son was there in 02 / 03.

I really don't have anything to add to the debate these days, as I am so out of touch with the current situation at ALA. I did want to comment on that one comment from Pls help tho; as it struck me as somewhat amusing - to think of a Jewish or Muslem mom or dad reading ALA's web site, and then somehow remaining ignorant of the fact it is an overtly Christian program. ;)

And as for Christians - we do believe Jesus is the answer.

Now - again - before you guys crucify me - I know some of the most horrible abuses in this industry take place in so called Christian programs. I find this appalling and outrageous and have been very clear on that fact many times. Please keep in mind, one may call themselves Christian, and be anything but.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2006, 12:16:10 PM »
Buzzkill, you state that ALA 'was good to us." Exactly how many days did YOU spend in this program, HUH?
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2006, 12:51:18 PM »
What was the question?
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2006, 01:00:30 PM »
BuzzKIll here -

Do you imagian I have'nt talked a good deal with my son about ALA and his time there? If so, then your wrong.

Frankly - he had a lot of fun.

Things at ALA then were pretty relaxed and open. I talked to him almost daily - every other day anyway. I could call him and he could call me anytime for any reason. He held a job in town and managed to save a good deal of money. They went hiking and camping and snow boarding; on trips to San Fancisco and Disney world. They went to movies and ball games and generally were active in the community.

But I am not saying it would be the same now for other kids - I simply do not know. I do know it is not the same as it was - but weather this is good or bad or neutral - I don't know.

All I wanted to comment on was the idea of a Jewish or Muslem family sending their teen to ALA unaware it is what it is - a Christian focused program.. Struck me as amusing - thats all. Amusing b/c it would be impossible - ALA is very clear on that point.

Unlike some wwasps programs, that insit there is no religious focus - then hand out the book of Mormon to kids invited to Bible stuidies.
Not to mention indoctrnating masses of people with New Age beliefes in the Seminairs.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2006, 01:11:51 PM »
What is it with these topics? Some retard says "wow I think I'll send my kid" and then someone else comes completely out of the woodwork to reply with crap? Hey "Guest", where were you on the rest of the Fornits topics?

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I talked to him almost daily - every other day anyway. I could call him and he could call me anytime for any reason.

From the website itself: "In the first few weeks of the program students are given one ten minute phone call home per week. Once he/she has attained Step 2 he/she receives 2 ten minute phone calls home per week. In Step 3 students receive 2 fifteen phones per week, and with Step 4 and beyond phone calls are unlimited."

Who wants to bet that they're heavily monitored?

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They went hiking and camping and snow boarding; on trips to San Fancisco and Disney world. They went to movies and ball games and generally were active in the community.


I'll bet a kilovolt of Lukination versus your cardiac muscles that this is complete falsehood.

You don't even have a son in real life, do you?

No trolls plz kthxdie
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2006, 01:25:45 PM »
Just sounds like the same old crap:
  If it ain't a WWAP PROGRAM, then it can't be all that bad, right?

Being anti-WWASP isn't what it is about.
Being anti-program for these kids is what it is about.

I doubt is ANY KID is going to say they had FUN, in any program. That is a total bullshit statement.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2006, 02:00:37 PM »
Milk Gagargaling -

I'm telling you the gold plated truth. I'm trying to be clear - I know nothing abut how things are done now. The phone call policy has changed - many other things have also changed. I am only referring to how it was in 02/03.  

Again - my only point was - no way a non-Christian could send a kid to ALA ignorant of the fact it is an overtly Christian program.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2006, 03:33:47 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
From the website itself: "In the first few weeks of the program students are given one ten minute phone call home per week. Once he/she has attained Step 2 he/she receives 2 ten minute phone calls home per week. In Step 3 students receive 2 fifteen phones per week, and with Step 4 and beyond phone calls are unlimited."

Who wants to bet that they're heavily monitored?



Of course they are.  Can't have any dissenters in the bunch.  Not to mention the set of arbitrary rules or hoops they have to jump through to "attain" the different steps and the fact that any progress they've made can be yanked from them at any minute for any reason.   The amount of control ANY of these places has on someone, especially a developing child, is not, has never been and never will be healthy no matter how you try and dress it up.
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