Author Topic: The Who (Read 863924 times)

TheWho · « **Reply #2175 on:** March 01, 2007, 05:07:54 PM »

Anyone have any data to add to 2001 - 2002?

You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001 -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides , X Restraint, X Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Restraint, ----- 5 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002 -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides , X Restraint, X Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Restraint, ----- 3 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

TheWho · « **Reply #2176 on:** March 02, 2007, 11:42:53 AM »

When we did an initial pass at these figures I recall there being more names than this (for 2001 ? 2002), unless I am mistaken.
If anyone has any additional names, you can PM me or post them here.

Thanks

Troll Control · « **Reply #2177 on:** March 05, 2007, 01:37:52 PM »

Didn't want to muck up other threads unduly...

Earlier today TheWho happened to mention that he did not unconditionally love his child - that he doesn't believe in unconditional love from a parent to a child.

I then asked this question:

Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""

Maybe I can make this much simpler before we get into some more nonsense.

Who, exactly what conditions does your daughter need to meet in order for you to love her?

I'm just waiting for the answer now.

TheWho · « **Reply #2178 on:** March 05, 2007, 04:30:11 PM »

Okay, lets look at the post that has DJ and Bob, so upset. This was a post I made in response to Psy as he mentioned.

Psy wrote:

Quote

?There are certain things that can completely sever the ties of love between parent and child. There is no such thing as "unconditional". Fool yourself all you wish, but if I were you, I would at least ask those questions you are afraid to, and beg for the forgiveness that you do not deserve.

I responded:

Quote

That is pretty intense and it is a good point,psy. Parents should keep a thumb on the pulse of their child and listen to how they are doing. If they sound distressed when they call you should ask to have another conference with them to insure that they are okay. I remember on a particular occasion, after my daughter ran away , that she sounded distressed and we scheduled another call back about an hour later and we talked it thru and spoke for about 45 minutes. She was struggling with a balance between her school work and what they expected to do during her off time which didn?t allow for her studies. She wasn?t use to working that hard. My daughter doesn?t thank me for sending her there but she understands that it was good for her (she wouldn?t want to do it over again, though).
I am not a big believer in ?unconditional love?. I think the bond between a parent and child is built upon a foundation started from infancy and is solidified over time from years of trust and formed from the natural dependency, nurturing and love that occurs and that the home is a safe place to grow, spread your wings, make mistakes, fall and start over. The home should never be a place to be embarrassed or feel ashamed it should be a place to practice life without being judged. If this process is interrupted or threatened the parent is the one who needs to step in and right its course.

If I asked my daughter tomorrow where she would rather be if there was trouble in her life I know she would chose home, because that is where her family is and that is where she feels safe. This is the place she comes to when she needs to sort out answers or scream at someone or ask for advice or feel safe.
Unconditional love, no it isn?t?but we continue to work on it every day and the working at it is what love is and it keeps us together.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... 21f#249509

I think many of you know me as one who doesn?t believe in absolutes. I don?t believe all TBS?s are bad and I don?t believe they are all good either. I don?t believe anything is unconditional (sorry, just my nature). I think any bond can be broken if it is not cared for, is neglected, abused enough it will fail. I don?t think anyone will love you (unconditionally) ?no matter what? under all circumstances. If I had turned my back on my daughter when she was in crisis and did nothing I think that would have affected our relationship later on when she looked back and saw I didnt take action or attempt to help her.

Sorry if my beliefs offend others....y0u need to get past it, DJ !

TheWho · « **Reply #2179 on:** March 05, 2007, 07:41:16 PM »

Anyone have any data to add to 2002 - 2003?

You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001 -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides , X Restraint, 2,959 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Restraint, ----- 5 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002 -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides , X Restraint, 2,868 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Restraint, ----- 3 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003 -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides , X Restraint, 2,846 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

Troll Control · « **Reply #2180 on:** March 06, 2007, 09:10:14 AM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

So, here's where we're at:

Quote
TheWho said:

"I don't believe in unconditional love"

If you don't believe in unconditional love, then therefore you must believe in conditional love or that love doewsn't exist. TheWho went on to state that he does believe love exists, but it is conditional.

TheWho was then asked if love is conditional, what are the conditions he requires to love his daughter, since he already stated he doesn't love her unconditionally.

It's a logical progression and completely sound. TheWho is trying to back out of his statement now, but he did say it, several times in fact.

Here's the argument:

1. Love exists.
2. Love is not unconditional.
3. Therefore love is conditional.
4. Love is given to individuals based on certain conditions.
5. Therefore TheWho has conditions that people must meet in order to gain his love.
6. Therefore his daughter would need to meet those conditions.
7. Therefore TheWho does not unconditionally love his daughter.

This begs the question "Under which conditions does TheWho love his child, and under which conditions does he not?"

It's really a simple question to answer.

TheWho · « **Reply #2181 on:** March 06, 2007, 09:32:34 AM »

Well, I look at it a little differently. I don?t place conditions as you say (like a list of requirements) on loving someone or someone loving me.

?Unconditional love is a concept that means showing love towards someone regardless of his or her actions or beliefs.?

I don?t see this as a set of conditions that need to be met. Lets say a family believes it has unconditional love for one another and the parents severely beats his children and abuses them. My belief is that at some point if this continues this bond will be broken and the child will no longer love his parents. Therefore this love does, in fact, have boundaries and limits. If this is true than it can not be called unconditional.

RobertBruce · « **Reply #2182 on:** March 06, 2007, 09:57:25 AM »

Deborah or Milk can we please get this nonsense out of this thread and over to the other thread dedicated to his nonsense?

Troll Control · « **Reply #2183 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:27:39 AM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Quote from: ""Guest""
So, here's where we're at:

Quote
TheWho said:

"I don't believe in unconditional love"

If you don't believe in unconditional love, then therefore you must believe in conditional love or that love doewsn't exist. TheWho went on to state that he does believe love exists, but it is conditional.

TheWho was then asked if love is conditional, what are the conditions he requires to love his daughter, since he already stated he doesn't love her unconditionally.

It's a logical progression and completely sound. TheWho is trying to back out of his statement now, but he did say it, several times in fact.

Here's the argument:

1. Love exists.
2. Love is not unconditional.
3. Therefore love is conditional.
4. Love is given to individuals based on certain conditions.
5. Therefore TheWho has conditions that people must meet in order to gain his love.
6. Therefore his daughter would need to meet those conditions.
7. Therefore TheWho does not unconditionally love his daughter.

This begs the question "Under which conditions does TheWho love his child, and under which conditions does he not?"

It's really a simple question to answer.

:cry: ::puke::

Troll Control · « **Reply #2184 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:30:41 AM »

Quote from: ""RobertBruce""

Deborah or Milk can we please get this nonsense out of this thread and over to the other thread dedicated to his nonsense?

Seriously, this guy trolls up thread after thread and you want somebody to put effort into editing this thread? :rofl:

This is where this guy's perversions

should be discussed. It's his.

Deborah · « **Reply #2185 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:45:44 AM »

Quote from: ""RobertBruce""

Deborah or Milk can we please get this nonsense out of this thread and over to the other thread dedicated to his nonsense?

Did you forget which thread you were in? This is "The Who" thread.

TheWho · « **Reply #2186 on:** March 06, 2007, 12:21:11 PM »

Anyone have any data to add to 2002 - 2003?

You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
__________________________________________________________________

July 1, 2000 thru June 2001 -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides , X Restraint, 2,959 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, 0 accidental, 4 Restraint, ----- 5 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002 -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides , X Restraint, 2,868 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 2 Restraint, ----- 2 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 3 Restraint, ----- 3 Total

___________________________________________________________________________
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003 -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides , X Restraint, 2,846 Total

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

RTC ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total

Boot Camp -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

Other --------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 0 Restraint, ----- 0 Total
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, 0 accidental, 1 Restraint, ----- 1 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
RTC - Residential Treatment Center
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

Troll Control · « **Reply #2187 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:53:33 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

So, here's where we're at:

Quote
TheWho said:

"I don't believe in unconditional love"

If you don't believe in unconditional love, then therefore you must believe in conditional love or that love doewsn't exist. TheWho went on to state that he does believe love exists, but it is conditional.

TheWho was then asked if love is conditional, what are the conditions he requires to love his daughter, since he already stated he doesn't love her unconditionally.

It's a logical progression and completely sound. TheWho is trying to back out of his statement now, but he did say it, several times in fact.

Here's the argument:

1. Love exists.
2. Love is not unconditional.
3. Therefore love is conditional.
4. Love is given to individuals based on certain conditions.
5. Therefore TheWho has conditions that people must meet in order to gain his love.
6. Therefore his daughter would need to meet those conditions.
7. Therefore TheWho does not unconditionally love his daughter.

This begs the question "Under which conditions does TheWho love his child, and under which conditions does he not?"

It's really a simple question to answer.

This is where we're at.

TheWho · « **Reply #2188 on:** March 06, 2007, 03:16:14 PM »

Quote

This begs the question "Under which conditions does TheWho love his child, and under which conditions does he not?"

It's really a simple question to answer.

I thought I had addressed this one, maybe in the other thread though......

Well, I look at it a little differently. I don?t place conditions as you say (like a list of requirements) on loving someone or someone loving me.

?Unconditional love is a concept that means showing love towards someone regardless of his or her actions or beliefs.?

I don?t see this as a set of conditions that need to be met. Lets say a family believes it has unconditional love for one another and the parents severely beats his children and abuses them. My belief is that at some point if this continues this bond will be broken and the child will no longer love his parents. Therefore this love does, in fact, have boundaries and limits. If this is true than it can not be called unconditional.

Anonymous · « **Reply #2189 on:** March 08, 2007, 11:40:23 AM »

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=20837

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