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« Reply #2190 on: March 08, 2007, 07:00:32 PM »
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Cindy neither my comment nor the one I was responding to was referring exclusivily to ASR.

Thank you, all I am asking is to stick to what you know.  If your experience is with another school like HLA, then state that.

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Now it's true that the bulk of the comment was written by Deborah, the bottom portion, or the "excuse" as we both agreed to term it, was made by you. I'm glad that you can at least see it for what it was, and I look forward to laughing at you as you pretend you didnt first lie about not having made an excuse but then make a secondary blunder in forgetting what you yourself wrote.


I still don?t see an excuse?. I see a response?my point has always been that these schools evolve over time and what happened 15,20,30 years ago doesn?t always apply today?..you need to keep current, Bob.
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« Reply #2191 on: March 08, 2007, 07:40:05 PM »
why didn't you repost your little tantrum?  you get really upset at robert's continued ownage of you.  don't get so upset.
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« Reply #2192 on: March 08, 2007, 07:46:31 PM »
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why didn't you repost your little tantrum?  you get really upset at robert's continued ownage of you.  don't get so upset.


Nah....  I just feel bad that this has to muck up the other thread.  People have trouble following the conversation when Bob gets trolling.

I would rather move it over here, thats all.....
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« Reply #2193 on: March 08, 2007, 07:58:42 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHA.


Tell me something Cindy, what exactly is your definition of trolling? You change it so often one can never tell.
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« Reply #2194 on: March 08, 2007, 08:04:28 PM »
A year or so ago, I didnt know what it meant.  Here is the definition that I was given:

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?  A person who intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.?  

Another word that you and DJ use a lot and seems to be important to you is ? ownage?.  What does this mean?
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« Reply #2195 on: March 08, 2007, 08:07:02 PM »
Cindy let's share with everyone what has you so upset shall we?

What began Cindy's temper tantrum and subsequent shitting of his pants was a discussion he held with a guest poster.

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This is absurd. In what public or private school are the kids forbidden to speak to family for months on end? Name one.  

Cindy responded.....

"This wasn?t stated by me. "

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Uh, sounds good on paper, but when there's no mechanism to report abuse, the kid is shit out of luck. Also, the parents are manipulated so heavily by the program that if there kid complains to them, they are not believed. Often kids will not risk angering their parent or the program out of fear that they will be kept longer.

Your excuses just don't cut the mustard, Who.  


His witty retort.....

"Most kids don?t rely on protocol in the public school system to report abuse. They tell their parents and the folks take it from there. I am sure some schools exist which try to manipulate the parents because there are all types, but they are probably few and far between.

I looked back over the past several pages and I don?t see where I was making any excuses. "
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« Reply #2196 on: March 08, 2007, 08:13:31 PM »
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A year or so ago, I didnt know what it meant. Here is the definition that I was given:

Troll
? A person who intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.?

I asked you for your definition Cindy, based on that definition the majority of my posts wouldnt qualify as trolling, so I'm interested to hear how you qualify it.

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Another word that you and DJ use a lot and seems to be important to you is ? onage?. What does this mean?


Again youre confused, neither DJ nor myself have ever used the word "onage" on fornits.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
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« Reply #2197 on: March 08, 2007, 08:13:56 PM »
The Who is getting really mad. He doesn't like it when you criticize him.  : (
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« Reply #2198 on: March 08, 2007, 08:16:46 PM »
Come on Bob, Lets get to the good part where you have to admit you have no experience with ASR and you were only relating your experiences thru another school.  After all this wasnt an HLA conversation, was it?

Just tell all of us you have no experience with ASR......  its a small step, really it is.
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« Reply #2199 on: March 08, 2007, 08:34:03 PM »
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I asked you for your definition Cindy, based on that definition the majority of my posts wouldnt qualify as trolling, so I'm interested to hear how you qualify it.


Ha,Ha,Ha,  Bob.  At least you admit you troll, I will give you that?. Do me one favor ?.go to the search function and search for, say, your last 50 posts.  Read thru them and see if you can figure out how many are where you actually engage in a conversation and give your input (add value) and how many are dedicated to tearing other people down and their opinions.  If you decide to count the former you won?t need a pencil.

Bob you don?t engage in conversation here.  You hover in the back ground and try to tear other people down.  How does that help kids?  The rest of us are trying to share our opinions, learn something new, exchange ideas etc?..anyway with that said?I have adopted the definition of a troll that was given to me a year ago?.  See how this fits

Troll
? A person who intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.?
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« Reply #2200 on: March 08, 2007, 08:35:29 PM »
Back to the saga......


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This is absurd. In what public or private school are the kids forbidden to speak to family for months on end? Name one.

This wasn?t stated by me.  

That as we have already established is Cindy claiming that he had not stated public schools prevent kids from communicating with parents for months on end.

Here was my reply (please note all of the following statements from me according to Cindy classify as "trolling" and/or "being a troll")

No, but you justified it by stating that most places (according to you) restrict communication for kids, so it really isn't that big of a deal.

Here I provide an example for him:

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My point is there are varying degrees of restriction. Your child can not speak to you during school hours in many schools, except during lunch. When I went to school you couldn?t use the phone unless you went to the principal?s office and used his phone. Many summer camps restrict the use of phones, kids would go on outward bound trips for months and only communicate a few times back home.  


We then returned back to the original posts, the next comment being:




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Most kids don?t rely on protocol in the public school system to report abuse. They tell their parents and the folks take it from there. I am sure some schools exist which try to manipulate the parents because there are all types, but they are probably few and far between.  

To which I replied (remember according to Cindy this is all trolling).

Kids in public school arent censored or monitored in their communications. If a kid calls home and says "my teacher hit me" the principal isnt going to hang up the phone and then send the kid out into the woods for three weeks in order to prevent him from telling his parents the truth. TBS's dp this as a matter of principal. Just as often as they refuse to allow kids to send out mail in which they claim to be abused, again public schools do not do this.


As a add on I decided to ask Cindy to clarify his position on one comment in particular. So far he's been too ashamed.

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I am sure some schools exist which try to manipulate the parents because there are all types, but they are probably few and far between

Do you have an actual basis for this claim or are you just hoping this is the case?

My address to his final comment is what really pushed Cindy over the edge. Let's have a look.

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I looked back over the past several pages and I don?t see where I was making any excuses.

Then you aren't paying close enough attention. Here, this took all of about 14 seconds of back reading:


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Deborah wrote:
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"Working here is a dream come true".- Common comment by staff at Aspen Achievment Academy.
This enthusiasm is common to Special Purpose Schools and Programs, and very understandable for several reasons. First: Paperwork, red tape, and regulations are kept to a minimum. This is a refreshing change for those staff who came from hospitals and treatment centers where the need to meet regulations sometimes overshadows the needs of the residents.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit01.html

They had already had a kid on suicide watch jump off a cliff and a 14 year old girl sodomized by a female "counselor".

I think it should be noted, this was 20 years ago......  


Now in all fairness I didn't differentiate between the two posts very well, the bulk of the comment was made by Deborah, the excuse on the bottom  as Cindy and I both termed it was made by Cindy. That being said however I didnt dig up the post from the ancient archives of something made eons ago. This was a post made by him a little over a week ago. Cindy however forgot.

We'll take a look at his total and complete melt down shortly. Stick around.

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« Reply #2201 on: March 08, 2007, 08:38:36 PM »
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Come on Bob, Lets get to the good part where you have to admit you have no experience with ASR and you were only relating your experiences thru another school.  After all this wasnt an HLA conversation, was it?

Just tell all of us you have no experience with ASR......  its a small step, really it is.


I'll make a deal with you Cindy, I'll acknowledge that just as soon as you can acknowledge that you have a limited experience with ASR and no experience with any other school.

Deal?
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« Reply #2202 on: March 08, 2007, 08:43:03 PM »
I think I made him Mad again......... he is doing a lot of work....lets sit back for a little bit.....Sorry everyone ...... but I think at the end he will have to admit he has no knowledge of ASR.
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« Reply #2203 on: March 08, 2007, 08:49:20 PM »
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Come on Bob, Lets get to the good part where you have to admit you have no experience with ASR and you were only relating your experiences thru another school.  After all this wasnt an HLA conversation, was it?

Just tell all of us you have no experience with ASR......  its a small step, really it is.

I'll make a deal with you Cindy, I'll acknowledge that just as soon as you can acknowledge that you have a limited experience with ASR and no experience with any other school.

Deal?



Show me where I ever stated my experience went outside SUWS and ASR.... I talk about it often and acknowledge this anytime anyone asks me.  You are trying to bring your experience with HLA over here and pretend you know how these places operate and you don?t have a clue.  You troll and criticize people with first hand knowledge which is wrong.
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« Reply #2204 on: March 08, 2007, 08:58:29 PM »
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Ha,Ha,Ha, Bob. At least you admit you troll, I will give you that?.

Oh absolutly, I'm sure Shortbus and Bullfrog would agree that I trolled them a time or two. Nothing really since them though.

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?. Do me one favor ?.go to the search function and search for, say, your last 50 posts. Read thru them and see if you can figure out how many are where you actually engage in a conversation and give your input (add value) and how many are dedicated to tearing other people down and their opinions. If you decide to count the former you won?t need a pencil.

I'll do that just as soon as you go back through my previous 50 posts and count the number of times I used the term "onage", if you decide to count it you won't even need to take your shoes off.

In all honesty though Cindy I'd like to see you back up your claim for once. If you feel all I do is tear people (you) down then provide the posts. If youre correct (youre not) I'll apologize and be on my way. Now my guess is that you'll follow your usual M.O. and reply with something along the lines of.

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Ha ha Bob, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Even though its actually your home work since its your claim, you won't do it, you're just too stupid and lazy I guess. That and somewhere in that deranged head of yours you know youre wrong.



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Bob you don?t engage in conversation here. You hover in the back ground and try to tear other people down. How does that help kids?

Cindy I've proven to you that I've helped these kids, at the same time I asked you weeks ago to name a single thing you had done to help these kids. So far youve been unable to answer. While youre stewing on that let me illuminate you on a little history of fornits.

I've been here longer than you have Cindy, by about a year. When I first came onto fornits and Amazing Forums and started posting I tried sharing my experiences and relating what I felt HLA was truly like. This was generally answered with admonishments from people like Bullfrog, Lynn, Tunafish, et cet that I was "lying" or misrepresenting the truth" that it "wasn't really like that". Through all the back and forth parents weren't sure who to believe. I quickly learned to switch tactics, you take the verifiable facts, in HLA's case the big thing for awhile was the fact that they were not licensed and had unlicensed staff, and you beat the program defenders over the head with it. This tactic is much more effective as I'm sure you can attest due to your overwhelming frustration. I keep you on the defensive, and it keeps you from giving parents bad information. Eventually you get so tired of being put to shame you leave. It works every time Cindy, eventually it will work with you.

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The rest of us are trying to share our opinions, learn something new, exchange ideas etc?

Others are I agree, you just work to propogate as much of your bullshit as possible, and hope someone buys into it.

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?..anyway with that said?I have adopted the definition of a troll that was given to me a year ago?. See how this fits

Troll
? A person who intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.?


Insulting I'll give you. I insult you on a regular basis because youre an idiot and I call it like I see it. Plus you have such a high opinion of yourself and believe your opinions should be accepted as fact. Even in insulting you though it's always in conjunction with tearing down your posts/position because generally everything you post is either made up, unverifiable, or complete and total nonsense.
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