The Who

[Troll Control]

Stooge ? The school is in Massachusetts not Connecticut.  
The man has an active license!
http://profiles.massmedboard.org/MA-Phy ... sp?ID=7087

you people are fumbling all over yourselves.  If you are going to try to make a school look bad at least double check your sources.

This is why I don?t believe any of your back ground checks?. Of course they don?t have licenses if you check the wrong state or if they moved from one state to another they will let their license expire in the old state

Parents:  Check with the schools, don?t believe this stuff,  it is loaded with agenda!!!!!

I think he's really lost it now.
Wouldn't it be a hoot to find out that Who is actually a bored mental patient who has no experience with the industry. Just stumbled onto Fornits one day, read up on the industry and has been trolling ever since.

This is what I've been thinking, too.  He's cukoo! :silly:

I believe that the single person he named couldn't be verified due to middle initial - there were two folks with the same name, but different middle initial.  

However, the rest of the list - verified to have no licenses to practice.  

Pretty simple concept.

If Scooter believes they are licensed, all he needs to do is verify it and provide the sources of the verification, as he was able to do for only one single person who happens not to be a counselor at all, but rather a consulting doc who has precious little contact with the kids.

For now, he's still clinging to an anonymous guest poster as his "source" of "proof" while lamenting that the Commonwealth's licensing division is wrong.  

Pretty poor, Scooter...

[RobertBruce]

Stooge ? The school is in Massachusetts not Connecticut.

The man has an active license!

http://profiles.massmedboard.org/MA-Phy ... sp?ID=7087

Okay great, so we've then established that ASR does in fact have 1 licensed therapist on staff. Thank you for clearing that matter up Cindy.

So then one man provides therapy for 200 students? He does this of course in addition to having his own private practice, and working at a hospital.

I'm not sure how this is possible but it must be, because as well all know it would be highly illegal for these unlicensed therapist to be providing therapy, just as it illegal for ol Ralphy to be supervising that many unlicensed therapist.

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RB wrote:

"Okay great, so we've then established that ASR does in fact have 1 licensed therapist on staff."

Sorry, Bob, this guy is not a therapist on staff, he's a consulting MD Psychiatrist.  He's not a counselor.  

Scooter already verified yesterday that he has another full-time job, so he can't possibly be a full-time staff member at ASR.  

He's a consulting doc that does med adjustments and such.

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,  No I dont think I will go with your internet background checks, you guys cant even look at the right state, how can we trust you to search all the right categories for their licenses.  I think we are better off sticking with what we know.

I have some information that is current this week:

?they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test?

So now that we have this, what are the regulations? How many licensed counselors does a school need?

[RobertBruce]

Fair enough Cindy. You have all the names and information you need, if you dont want to trust our facts then by all means look the information up yourself.

Provide us the means to verify whatever claims you make and let us know when you have something solid.

Good luck and we'll see you soon.

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Your "current information" was provided by an anonymous guest, Scooter.  That info is NFG.  Sorry.

We go by the state's licensing division.  They say that there are no licensed counselors.  RB ran every one of the names he posted thru the search engine, and I also verified, just to be sure.

According to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts licensing division, THERE ARE NO LICENSED COUNSELORS AT ASR.

According to Scootie the Crackpot and his anonymous source there are many  :roll: .  

This reminds me of Henry Kissinger sitting in front of the Senate Armed Services Committee two weeks ago telling the members that "Maybe the president has a secret plan for victory in Iraq."  

Kissinger, a lesser liar than Whooter Libby Jr., when pressed, admitted he had "no evidence of such a plan."

C'mon, Whooter.  Buck up like Kissinger!

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Whooter Libby Jr. wrote:

"How many licensed counselors does a school need?"

Trick question, Whooter, but I'm glad you brought it up, because it adds value to the discussion.

Schools require zero licensed counselors because schools are prohibited by law from providing casework services to students.

This, of course, will be the first angle brought up to oversight agencies charged with overseeing ASR.  "Why is a 'boarding school' providing mandatory group therapy for students three times a week?"

This was all it took to knock HLA out of the frame.  I'm sure ASR will be equally unable to explain why they, as a 'private boarding school,' are forcing thrice weekly therapy on their 'students.'  

See, therapy takes place in treatment centers not schools and therapy is provided for patients not students.

ASR will hem and haw, but when the investigators roll in with warrants (ala HLA and AIR) they're going to find therapy records and case plans drawn up and signed off by unlicensed counselors who are legally barred from providing these services in a treatment center, much less a school where these services are forbidden by law to be offered or given.

And who will they thank for bringing it all to the attention of authorities?  Whooter Libby Jr. :lol:

[Anonymous]

And who will they thank for bringing it all to the attention of authorities?  Whooter Libby Jr. :lol:

This is the most beautiful thing about this whole thread. We're slaying his own favorite hellhole with his own bullshit. I love irony.

[TheWho]

Your like the Keystone cops !!  Ha,Ha,....

--- First its ASR has no licensed counselors


---  Then its, oh they have 2 licensed counselors

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=248371#248371

---  Now we are back to they have no licensed counselors again.  This is all in one day!!

Anyway, if I was a parent I would take this all with a grain of salt and do my homework.

This is the latest from ASR themselves:

?they have 4 licensed staff  2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test?

So after the next testing period it looks like they will have upwards of 8 counselors licensed or 73% licensed.  They have come a long way over the past few years.  When we checked them last year (or year and a half ago) they had 2 licensed staff and they have expanded the number of hires also.  Its good to see these schools take a pro active approach to hiring more staff and encouraging them to get licensed.  I know it is an added expense for the schools in terms of salary and educational expenses, but it shows they are on a path for continuous improvement, which his healthy for the school and the kids.

[RobertBruce]

This is the latest from ASR themselves:

?they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test?

ASR themselves? Are you claiming that the guest posting yesterday was an ASR staff? If so what is your basis for this claim? How can we verify it for ourselves.

Let us know Cindy, you yourself claim that the proof is in the pudding, so far I haven't seen any damn pudding from you. All we've seen is alot of emphatic statements coming from you, but nothing anyone can verify.

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Your like the Keystone cops !!  Ha,Ha,....

--- First its ASR has no licensed counselors


---  Then its, oh they have 2 licensed counselors

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=248371#248371

---  Now we are back to they have no licensed counselors again.  This is all in one day!!

Anyway, if I was a parent I would take this all with a grain of salt and do my homework.

This is the latest from ASR themselves:

?they have 4 licensed staff  2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test?

So after the next testing period it looks like they will have upwards of 8 counselors licensed or 73% licensed.  They have come a long way over the past few years.  When we checked them last year (or year and a half ago) they had 2 licensed staff and they have expanded the number of hires also.  Its good to see these schools take a pro active approach to hiring more staff and encouraging them to get licensed.  I know it is an added expense for the schools in terms of salary and educational expenses, but it shows they are on a path for continuous improvement, which his healthy for the school and the kids.

Next testing period?  What are you talking about?  These people have been there three years and the tests are given weekly or daily.  Sorry, Whooter, doesn't wash.

BTW, it looks like ASR is going to have BIG TROUBLE for licensing problems:

http://http://www.mamhca.org/licspprt.htm

Not only are the counselors not going to be licensed anytime soon, ASR has no licensed providers under which any other potential licensee can practice.

Minimum requirement for oversight is five years of licensure.  ASR doesn't have any of these people, so it can not legally oversee underlings.

Time to get on the phones, people.

[Deborah]

This just in....

A quick call to the Mass Board of Substance Abuse Counselors Certification reveals that Naadia Bacchus is a CADAC, but Michael Vituski is not. He let his CADAC lapse in Oct 06.
This can be verified at (508) 842-8707

From ASR website
Valuski, Michael - Associate Director of Counseling
Mike works with students one-on-one, as well as, teaches our Healthy Decisions course during the academic day.  Mike holds an MA is Criminal Justice.  He is a certified Drug and Alcohol Addictions Counselor and Relapse Prevention Specialist, and is also certified in Grief Therapy.

While on the subject, is ASRs Substance Abuse program licensed? In Ga, that is a separate entity and requires an additional license other than the license issued by the state to operate as an RTC.

[TheWho]

Oh No!!  I will turn on the news tonight, DJ will be on the phone... you should try to do that from work to save the long distance charges.

When they interview you, remember to jump up and down, wave your hands at the camera and say "Hello Fornits".  Bob will be at your side saying "I get most of the credit !!,it was my idea to begin with, do I get a hat that says something?"  Ha,Ha,.......

So it looks like you are backing down on this licensing issue and it doesnt seem clear what the requirements are.  

All we can conclude at this point is that ASR has licensed counselors which was the big question.  The open issue now is how many are they required to have.

[Troll Control]

This was posted by an anonymous guest poster yesterday:

every state has different rules as to what it takes to get a license.  different hours of work or supervision.  the level of supervision differs also.  i cannot quote each state.  MA requirement take about 2 years to complete.  you also have to take a test and present a case.  the state of georgia is ridiculus about licensing which has to do with the fact it has 150 counties that have to come into agreement before anything is decided.

HLA was founded by some CEDU people but they have never changed the program.  i do not ever remember it being held up as the cream of the crop except for Buchi.  however, the people you refer to at ASR left in 2003 if i remember right.  they have a new clincal director who like i said is clinical in his stance. see these are facts that never seem tobe taken into account.

the licensing issue will go on but likei said places, all treatment centers use so unlicensed staff. Oh by the way i called my friend at ASR and was told they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor.  they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test.

well i am off...please keep some more open minds folks...i think the debate is important but let us not get so caught in trying to prove each other wrong that we forget what we are fighting for

Then this was posted by Whooter Libby Jr. continuously for the last 24 hours:

Whooter Libby Jr. wrote:

"This is the latest from ASR themselves:

they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test

Look familiar, Whooter?

It should.  See, folks, what ol' Whooter has done here is to take an anonymous post (which could very well be The Whooter himself, BTW) in which the anonymous poster states that s/he was "told by a friend at ASR" about the information in the post.

Now, Whooter, why on earth would anyone believe second-hand anonymously posted information from the internet with no sources as a fact?

Boy, you've really lost it, Whooter.  This is your idea of "proof"?  Pleeeease, spare us from your nonsense.

You're busted out again, Whooter.  Caught red-handed lying your face off (AGAIN, but no surprise).

So, Whooter, who are we to believe, the Board of Registration of Allied Mental Health and Human Services Professionals of the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts which documents only two licensed staff members at ASR, or you and your anonymous friend's anonymous friend?

Whooter, you're not doing to well at this, are you?

[Deborah]

So it looks like you are backing down on this licensing issue and it doesnt seem clear what the requirements are.

Not at all. I know they aren't licensed as an RTC. I doubt they're licensed as a Residential Substance Abuse facility.  

All we can conclude at this point is that ASR has licensed counselors which was the big question.  The open issue now is how many are they required to have.

That's all YOU can conclude. I challenge you to stop using "We" and replace it with "I".