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« Reply #2025 on: February 22, 2007, 03:49:50 PM »
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So enough of that, where are those numbers again, lets take a look:
they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test.?


Here's what we've conclude to this point:

ASR has operated for 10 (just as HLA did) as an unlicensed RTC.
They require group therapy 3X a week. And individual counseling- who know how often- site says weekly, Who says "as needed".
2 out of 11 of their "Clinical Counselors" possess licenses. Most of the bios don't even include the staff's education/degree.
Neither The Dir of Counseling (The Clinician) and Assoc Dir of Counseling are licensed.
One of their two Substance Abuse Counselors certification has lapsed.
It's unknown, but unlikely that their SA program is licensed.
After 10 years of operation ASRs academics aren't accredited.
Haven't gotten to the "teachers" yet. We'll see what 'tomorrow' brings.
.... I'm sure I've forgotten something....

That's not a bargain, or in the kids best interest. ASR adds NO VALUE to a kid's life.
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« Reply #2026 on: February 22, 2007, 03:50:10 PM »
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Embarrassing staff? You mean by posting their licensing status?

No posting that their license expired when it had not and either way, I wouldn?t want people putting my name all over the web.  It is published on the ASR site, but still , I don?t think it is right.  If you think it is okay why doesn?t everyone sign in with their real names here on Fornits?  The only ones who correctly know the current status of their employees is the school.

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Have you even called the Licensing Division in Mass and reported that ASR provides "therapy" and should be properly licensed as an RTC


No never looked into it, we have been busy looking at licensing of counselors not the school itself.
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« Reply #2027 on: February 22, 2007, 03:57:36 PM »
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"The only thing we can rely on are the latest figures. When ASR updates their web site then those will be the latest figures, but until then (and not a day sooner) we will have to depend on these:


?.they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test.?


Well you can depend on third-hand anonymous posts as fact, but nobody else will.  The State says ASR has 2 licensed counselors.  I believe the State, not you, Whootie.  I saw an anonymous post that said you like to have sex with children a while back.  That one must be true too, based on your logic.  Now put down the candy and let the little boy go!

Also, this "update the website" thing was the same tired BS you were peddling last year while trying to explain an ASR teacher's bio on their website - a teacher with no college degree at all!  

You kept droning on about how when they "update the website you'll see he got his degree!"  BOLOGNA.
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« Reply #2028 on: February 22, 2007, 04:01:36 PM »
See ya tomorrow, Whooter Libby Jr.

Please try not to "forget" :roll:  how you got fully owned all day today and that you've done a great deal to discredit ASR in the process.  I'm sure they're grateful! :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #2029 on: February 22, 2007, 04:06:17 PM »
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ASR has operated for 10 (just as HLA did) as an unlicensed RTC.

They are not licensed to sell cars or have any licensed plumbers
either, but that doesn?t take away from the fact they provide a good valued service.

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They require group therapy 3X a week. And individual counseling- who know how often- site says weekly, Who says "as needed".

Looks like we don?t know for sure?.  I would call the school.

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2 out of 11 of their "Clinical Counselors" possess licenses. Most of the bios don't even include the staff's education/degree.
Neither The Dir of Counseling (The Clinician) and Assoc Dir of Counseling are licensed.
One of their two Substance Abuse Counselors certification has lapsed.
It's unknown, but unlikely that their SA program is licensed.

All your numbers are wrong and suspect, you have said this before and I have proven you wrong.
 
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After 10 years of operation ASRs academics aren't accredited.

They have never been denied accreditation and are approved to give diplomas.  
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Haven't gotten to the "teachers" yet. We'll see what 'tomorrow' brings.
.... I'm sure I've forgotten something....


Yes, accurate information.
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« Reply #2030 on: February 22, 2007, 04:07:58 PM »
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The only ones who correctly know the current status of their employees is the school.


So youre stating that the commonwealth of Massachusettes doesnt know who has licenses and who doesn't?

This is a pretty bold statement Cindy, are you sure you want to stand behind it?

In the meantime I thought we'd agreed you were going to go work on providing the licensure information regarding the ASr employees. So far all youve given us is an anonymous post. Sorry Cindy this just isnt good enough.


Honestly Cindy who do you think the parents are going to give more creedence to? Us who provides a list of names and proof concerning who is licensed and who is not; or you who provided nothing more than your own say so based on nothing.

Think about that Cindy, you know how much you care about your credibility, or lack there of.
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« Reply #2031 on: February 22, 2007, 04:09:34 PM »
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Embarrassing staff? You mean by posting their licensing status?

No posting that their license expired when it had not and either way, I wouldn?t want people putting my name all over the web.  It is published on the ASR site, but still , I don?t think it is right.  If you think it is okay why doesn?t everyone sign in with their real names here on Fornits?  The only ones who correctly know the current status of their employees is the school.

I corrected the information re: Cohen, which was an honest mistake. Was there someone else?

We're not charging $6000/month for warehousing teens. I'm sure our names would be out there too.

The State agencies do have up to the minute information on licenses. That is precisely who programs (that function ethically) call when they are doing background/licensing checks on their employees. But, then, you know all this. You're hoping other parents believe that the "schools word is more accurate than the state's.  :rofl:

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Have you even called the Licensing Division in Mass and reported that ASR provides "therapy" and should be properly licensed as an RTC

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No never looked into it, we have been busy looking at licensing of counselors not the school itself.


Keep it on your list of things to do. Licensure ADDS VALUE to programs. The kids will thank you, even if they don't know who's responsible.
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« Reply #2032 on: February 22, 2007, 04:13:31 PM »
Good point Deborah, Cindy how do you feel pretending staff is licensed when they are clearly not somehow helps these kids?

Or better yet give us the names of those you believe to be licensed.
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« Reply #2033 on: February 22, 2007, 04:15:52 PM »
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Also, this "update the website" thing was the same tired BS you were peddling last year while trying to explain an ASR teacher's bio on their website - a teacher with no college degree at all!


Yes and when they updated the website your accusations went up in smoke and you embarrassed yourself and smeared a teacher?s name unnecessarily.  Why did you leave that out?

Double check your sources before making accusations about people.  It is their livelihood,  We went over this last year
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« Reply #2034 on: February 22, 2007, 04:35:33 PM »
Were all still waiting on you Cindy.
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« Reply #2035 on: February 22, 2007, 04:35:49 PM »
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The State agencies do have up to the minute information on licenses. That is precisely who programs (that function ethically) call when they are doing background/licensing checks on their employees. But, then, you know all this. You're hoping other parents believe that the "schools word is more accurate than the state's.  


Sure but lets say they hired more people or had staff changes etc. since the last time the site was updated.  Only the school would have the latest list of employees.
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« Reply #2036 on: February 22, 2007, 04:40:47 PM »
Youre speculating Cindy, youre saying rely on the school when it suits your agenda, when it doesnt however they simply havent updated their webpage.
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« Reply #2037 on: February 22, 2007, 04:56:49 PM »
Here are the regs for RTC's in Mass, it appears that ASR meets their definition. I'll continue to look for regulations regarding supervisory positions. In the meantime people more familiar and willing to accept the truth (Cindy this of course excludes you) should go over these regs and see how ASR might be in violation.

http://www.eec.state.ma.us/docs/residential_regs.pdf
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« Reply #2038 on: February 22, 2007, 04:58:08 PM »
Well it was a very eventful and up and down day.  In the end were able to establish that ASR does have licensed counselors as I had indicated.  It took a bit of work to get everyone to see but here we are.  I hope there were no hurt feelings, but I felt it was important to keep only the facts on the table and stay focused on counselor licenses only.

I neglected to update the table as I had promised (and was just reminded, sorry).  I will review the latest info/names that were sent to me and update it in the morning.
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« Reply #2039 on: February 22, 2007, 05:02:14 PM »
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and stay focused on counselor licenses only.


Which naturally means that there's something else you're trying to keep us distracted from. What is it?
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