THERAPEUTIC BOARDING SCHOOLS DESICION

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On 2006-01-10 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh for crying out loud, here:  http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=Rudy Bentz&addterms=phrase&forum=all&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search'>Rudy Bentz"

Pretty voluminous and sad commentary on his record of "helping kids."  :roll:

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On 2006-01-10 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:


"So it's not a "school" at all then.  Can't issue diplomas, can't issue transferrable credits.  So that's settled.





Now, since academics is not their primary purpose, they can't be registered as a school.  Are they properly registered as an RTC?  If so, how can they not provide 24/7 therapeutic care?





It looks more and more like this place is not a school and does not provide adequate mental health care either.  





They charge an awful lot of money for no credits/diploma and inadequate mental health care.  Seems pretty much like your typical money-making "TBS" scam. :roll: "

School: "An institution for the instruction of children or people under college age."



Its a school"

You're being facetious, right?  You're some kind of joker?  If not, would you send your child to a school that can't possibly give him credits or graduate him?

I wouldn't.

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 15:01:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Oh for crying out loud, here:  http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=Rudy Bentz&addterms=phrase&forum=all&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search'>Rudy Bentz"

Pretty voluminous and sad commentary on his record of "helping kids."  :roll:
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Fact: In reality or in truth; actually
fiction:An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented

Where does this fall?

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 15:01:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Oh for crying out loud, here:  http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=Rudy Bentz&addterms=phrase&forum=all&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search'>Rudy Bentz"

Pretty voluminous and sad commentary on his record of "helping kids."  :roll:

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Fact: In reality or in truth; actually

fiction:An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented



Where does this fall?"

It was written by his ex-wife !!  How credible is that?  If people believed my ex, I would be in jail or dead.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-10 15:11:00, Anonymous wrote:


It was written by his ex-wife !!  How credible is that?  If people believed my ex, I would be in jail or dead."

Ex girlfriend who appears to have cared very much about him and was hurt and worried at the changes she saw in him after his indoctrination.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-10 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 15:01:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


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On 2006-01-10 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Oh for crying out loud, here:  http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=Rudy Bentz&addterms=phrase&forum=all&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search'>Rudy Bentz"

Pretty voluminous and sad commentary on his record of "helping kids."  :roll:

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Fact: In reality or in truth; actually

fiction:An imaginative creation or a pretense that does not represent actuality but has been invented



Where does this fall?"

It falls under the category of fact.  I have personally witnessed this man abuse children.  I have also attended parties at his home and watched him get stumble-drunk on scotch.

You cannot tell me these aren't facts.  You can say whatever you want, but I know the truth and so do many others.  Nothing that you can say will invalidate what I know to be true.

It gets awfully tiring to listen to you folks tell people that they did not experience their own experiences.  Who are you anyway?  What makes you an authority on this guy?  All you seem to be doing is calling people who you don't know and never met liars.  Are you going to now tell me that I don't know him?  That I haven't seen him be incredibly abusive to children?  That I never went to any of his parties and saw him bombed on scotch?

Why are the stories people have been telling over the last twenty years so similar to my experiences?  Due to the fact that I actually know this guy, I have a basis by which to conclude at least some of what others are saying is factual.  I've witnessed it WITH MY OWN TWO EYES and many people who worked with me can verify my statements.  At this point the burden of proof is on you to show evidence to the contrary.  The record is well-established.

[TheWho]

You cannot tell me these aren't facts.

I guess you are right.  

We must have seen him at two differnt points in his life.  I saw and got to know a different person than you did.  Maybe he grew  since you saw him last maybe we each saw a different side to the same person.

But as far as ASR is concerned he has moved on and it is in the past.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-01-10 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

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You cannot tell me these aren't facts.

I guess you are right.  



We must have seen him at two differnt points in his life.  I saw and got to know a different person than you did.  Maybe he grew  since you saw him last maybe we each saw a different side to the same person.



But as far as ASR is concerned he has moved on and it is in the past."

OK, now this is some responsible feedback.

Maybe he did grow since last I saw him.  Hell, anything's possible.  

My point was that there are many people, spanning decades, that knew someone different from whom you knew.  They knew an awful, abusive drunk that had no business working with kids and would not have had that opportunity to abuse were it not for the negligence of CEDU and HLA (I'll take your word on ASR - that he behaved well there) in their hiring of a man with no credentials or education to serve in a therpeutic capacity.

It irritates me greatly sometimes when folks who have had another experience invalidate the experiences of others because it is different from theirs.  I think it was unfair and irresponsible of you to insinuate that these poor kids were lying just because you didn't see it happen.

In what capacity did you know him?  As a parent of an ASR client?  Or did you know him personally outside of the program?  

When you interact with someone within the context of your dealing with a program, sometimes what you get is the personality they have developed to deflect criticism or imbue a sense of ease in the parent.  Oftentimes this is a far disparate reality from who they are behind closed doors, alone, with children.  I saw this with Rudy regularly.  He was a perfect gentlemen for the parents and an abusive animal when alone with the kids.

[TheWho]

It sounds like he matured over the years.  

It irritates me greatly sometimes when folks who have had another experience invalidate the experiences of others because it is different from theirs. I think it was unfair and irresponsible of you to insinuate that these poor kids were lying just because you didn't see it happen.

Believe me it goes both ways.  I was irritated when someone claimed there were clinical studies done at ASR,  the journalist Dave Marcus only interviewed Rudy for his book and then called him a child abuser.  In that context knowing the first 2 to be false (first hand) and knowing Rudy as I do.  My conclusion made sense and didnot invalidate anyones feelings.
If someone is lying to you about several things its not a stretch to disbelieve everything.
So I cant agree with you on that.

In what capacity did you know him? As a parent of an ASR client? Or did you know him personally outside of the program?

When you interact with someone within the context of your dealing with a program, sometimes what you get is the personality they have developed to deflect criticism or imbue a sense of ease in the parent. Oftentimes this is a far disparate reality from who they are behind closed doors, alone, with children. I saw this with Rudy regularly. He was a perfect gentlemen for the parents and an abusive animal when alone with the kids

I knew him as a parent of a child who attended and threw other children who attended and also outside of ASR.
(I usually get the stock answer that they are all brainwashed to say certain things, believe me if you have ever been to ASR you would not take this position)

[Troll Control]

Fair enough.

One disagreement though.  If you find someone to be lying about one point, how does that invalidate the other points that are objectively true?  

Let's be honest here.  If you took this approach in your normal, everyday life, you would invalidate every statement from every person you've ever met.  They haven't built a single, solitary human being yet that doesn't lie.  That person simply doesn't exist and never will.

I can guarantee you that you yourself have done quite a bit of lying in your personal history.  To say that isn't true is to say that you are inhuman.  So, I think you'll have to be a bit more flexible in that respect to retain your full credibility.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-01-10 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:


"No studies?  Are you nuts?  You must not have done even a cursory review of materials out there.





NAMH, NIH both released studies showing that RTC treatment doesn't work and makes behavior WORSE in the kids exposed to them.  See askquestions.org for a jumping off point to the research claim "deosn't exist."





I know Rudy Bentz.  I know dozens of kids abused by him.  You can't tell me it didn't happen.  Just because someone hasn't been arrested (he does have an arrest record though, you just didn't look for it), charged and convicted of abuse doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Since you seem to know nothing of RTC's, let me inform you that kids have no mechanism to report abuse (they are denied contact with the outside world including reporting agencies) and often if they do report, it's a question of the "troubled kid's word" against the staff.





I have personally seen Rudy Bentz physically abuse children.  You can't say it didn't happen.  You weren't there, I was.  So were many others abused at his hands.





You luckily escaped the abuse that many endured.  Good for you.  It doesn't make you right."

No not NAMH or NIH, I asked about the clinical study you claim was done at ASR

But nobody ever got to ask those questions in clinical studies, because ASR never okayed another scientific study.

your words not mine.



You mention that ASR is trying to cover-up his criminal past:

I think you have a bit of an agenda in defending ASR's serious shortcomings and covering up the sordid history of the drunken vehicular manslaughterer and child abuser Rudy Bentz

your words not mine



Where is this cover-up?  When were they brought forward and then refused to be made public knowledge by ASR?



Now, seriously after all these posts, and after I catch you in a ton of lies, you keep changing your story.  Now you claim to have first hand knowledge and have personally witnessed the abuse, sorry I just cant buy it.



Next time make your claims upfront and be honest with your information.



You claim I have an agenda !!!"

http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_p ... hapiro.pdf

Here's the link to the study I reference.  My comments on it were based on my recollections from when I read it a couple of years ago.

I've got a deadline and don't have a whole lot of time to spend on this.

Julie Cochrane

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 11:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

Deprivation for the sake of mind-control has to do with truly depriving one of basic needs: food and shelter.

Or the very basic need we all have to think, alone, in our own minds. To take a break. To have some time when we're not either busy, 24/7 or trying to hurry up and sleep in the hopeless hope of getting enoug sleep. Over the short term, this sort of constant pestering and comanding of the attention of a nonconsenting other is annoying. If it's very persistant, it can cross the line into harassment. Over weeks and months, yeah, it can be torture.

Just imagine you've got a paranoid, jealous, over-controling spouse. Now imagine you've got 50 of them and some of them are taking notes. That about sums up the TBS method.

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.

--Anonymous

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 15:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 15:11:00, Anonymous wrote:



It was written by his ex-wife !!  How credible is that?  If people believed my ex, I would be in jail or dead."

Ex girlfriend who appears to have cared very much about him and was hurt and worried at the changes she saw in him after his indoctrination.  "

Yes, and it's compelling to anyone who's been through a Synanon based program because we've all seen the same sort of horrid transformation take place again and again.

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contageous. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law, it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.
http://nospank.net/antwon.htm' target='_new'>U.S. Justice Brandeis (1856-1941)

[Antigen]

On 2006-01-10 15:35:00, Anonymous wrote:


I guess you are right.  



We must have seen him at two differnt points in his life.  

No, I understand he's always been a pretty good bullshitter.

It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.

--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association

[shopgirl2005]

Hi:

I've notice you had a child in ASR and she did well.

In my case my son presents various conditions that is the reason why I'm considering sending him to ASR.  He has ADHD, OCD AND ODD.  We have explore every option possible at home with his therapists and nothing seems to work long term.

Would it be to much to ask you what made you enroll your daughter in ASR and how was the communication with the therapists.  Is she in college already?

My personal e-mail address is eroldan@prw.net

I will really appreciate your comments

Thank you