THERAPEUTIC BOARDING SCHOOLS DESICION

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On 2006-01-10 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

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So they didn't fire Rudy Bentz? How would you know this? Also, if they didn't fire him, why would they keep someone there who has a long, documented, serious history of abusing children in his care?

This is something you made up.  He has no documented history of child abuse.

How do you explain a man like Rudy Bentz being the director of a therapeutic facility when he has absolutely no credentials whatsover to provide or oversee therapy? How could he have been hired in the first place? Was his employment and criminal history not properly vetted? If not, why not?

I know the man personally, what type of credentials did ASR asked for?  I dont think we know, He was hired on as "head master" and did a great job as far as we know.  I havent seen him in court or jail for all this abuse you claim.  In Massachusetts a person would be in jail after one substantiated case of abuse of a minor, in any setting.

Let's also be sure to let people know of ASR's ongoing problems with licensure and accreditation. There are some serious ethical questions raised by their behavior in this respect.

They let you know they are not accredited in the state of massachusetts in the initial interview.  They have a school with qualified teachers and are overseen by the state, but they are not accredited (The town next to where I live, the high school is unaccredited also).  The accreditation can be major reasons or as minor as not enough books in the library, square feet per student etc..  My daughter was way ahead academically when she returned home in comparison to her peers at school



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Wow.  The lies and disinformation in this post are astounding.

As far as Mr. Bentz is concerned, he DOES have a long history of abusing children.  Do a search of his name and you'll see that history as told by the abused.  

You didn't answer the question of how ASR hired a man with absolutely no credentails whatsoever to run a (unaccredited, unlicensed) "therapeutic boarding school."

You say he wasn't fired.  Other people (with names and faces, not anonymous posters) have said was fired, including parents of kids at the facility.  

I think you have a bit of an agenda in defending ASR's serious shortcomings and covering up the sordid history of the drunken vehicular manslaughterer and child abuser Rudy Bentz.  I guess what you're saying is that the several dozens of people who were abused by this sick man are prevaricators.  

I tend to believe more that one anonymous poster with a vested interest in positive portrayal of ASR would have more reason to lie than the people who were emotionally, psychologically and physically abused over two and a half decades by Mr. Bentz.

I'm sorry, but your story just doesn't square with dozens of first-hand accounts of abuse by this guy.

[TheWho]

And many have expressed that they had distress re-entering the real world. Living in a isolated controlled environment (BM bubble), being told what to do and think 24/7, caused them to have social anxiety, to hold self and others to unrealistic expectations (program rhetoric doesn?t work in the real world), PTSD, and a basic lack of trust.

This is true, any transition from one enviornment to another is difficult, especially when your world has been so small for so many months and then released back into the world.  ASR is aware of this short coming with schools of their type and were working to smooth this transition when we left there.

That is not ?unique? to ASR, they all claim to involve the family, but how can family be involved when they are thousands of miles away?

The family members fly in for family visits and to work on differences and family problems.  Its not convenient nor cheap, but when your family is in crisis its very high on the priority list.

How would reading SF (or any other pleasure reading) during their precious little free-time from 24/7 ?therapy?, be counter productive? It?s not. But deprivation IS necessary for brainwashing to be effective. Deprivation of rights, deprivation of contact, deprivation of touch, deprivation of accurate information about self and the world, deprivation of nutritional sustenance/ decent food, etc. Deprivation of the choice of what to read is just one in a long list of ptoential deprivations, depending on the program.

There is plenty to read for everyone, they just control what is brought in from the outside, drug issues, wrong messages etc. and it takes time to screen everything.  Therapy isnt 24/7 unless you request it.  They have swimming, skiing, preparing for group activities, lots of homework and reading. Television (limited).  Preparing for life steps etc.
There is very little down time, always busy, which means busy reading, busy watching a movie etc.  Food isnt bad, they cater to alergys, vegan etc.  There is no deprivation that I was aware of.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: ***You surely can't mean that not being allowed to read science fiction is deprivation? You can't really believe that changing any aspect of a kid's life that they happen to enjoy is deprivation? Do you really think that the term "deprivation" has different meanings for different people?***

Indeed it does. How would reading SF (or any other pleasure reading) during their precious little free-time from 24/7 ?therapy?, be counter productive? It?s not. But deprivation IS necessary for brainwashing to be effective. Deprivation of rights, deprivation of contact, deprivation of touch, deprivation of accurate information about self and the world, deprivation of nutritional sustenance/ decent food, etc. Deprivation of the choice of what to read is just one in a long list of ptoential deprivations, depending on the program.
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So deprivation consists of withholding anything not deemd "counterproductive?" Your logic doesn't hold up. What about the fact that most programs don't supply hot tubs, magnifying make-up mirrors, or cell phones? After all, this is what many of the kids have at home, as do their peers.

Deprivation for the sake of mind-control has to do with truly depriving one of basic needs: food and shelter. I can't speak to this particular program, but calling a lack of sci-fi deprivation indicates that you're suffering under the same delusion the kids in the programs do: without their toys and any method of gratification or stimulus they demand, they're worthless and unable to function. I think you're selling them short.

[TheWho]

Wow. The lies and disinformation in this post are astounding.

As far as Mr. Bentz is concerned, he DOES have a long history of abusing children. Do a search of his name and you'll see that history as told by the abused.

You didn't answer the question of how ASR hired a man with absolutely no credentails whatsoever to run a (unaccredited, unlicensed) "therapeutic boarding school."

You say he wasn't fired. Other people (with names and faces, not anonymous posters) have said was fired, including parents of kids at the facility.

I think you have a bit of an agenda in defending ASR's serious shortcomings and covering up the sordid history of the drunken vehicular manslaughterer and child abuser Rudy Bentz. I guess what you're saying is that the several dozens of people who were abused by this sick man are prevaricators.

I tend to believe more that one anonymous poster with a vested interest in positive portrayal of ASR would have more reason to lie than the people who were emotionally, psychologically and physically abused over two and a half decades by Mr. Bentz.

I'm sorry, but your story just doesn't square with dozens of first-hand accounts of abuse by this guy.

I am sorry, you can say what you may, you feel I have an agenda thats okay. I am telling my experience and first hand knowledge to someone who asked and how it help our family.

You say he is unqualified (what specific experience are you looking for?) and a child abuser (Where are the court records they should be public) and clinical studies have been done to back up some of your allegations. The man has never been arrested and I searched for Clinical studies and there just are not any. Everyone knows, who watch the news, that if someone is abusing kids in a school setting isnt going to be allowed near kids again and this just hasnt happened, where are your facts. I am stating my personal experience from my view point, I dont claim to have studies or documented evidence to back me up.

Just myself and my family, have a little respect, I am one opinion, if you think there are thousands of negative opinions out there just ignore mine the others will surface in time.

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No studies?  Are you nuts?  You must not have done even a cursory review of materials out there.

NAMH, NIH both released studies showing that RTC treatment doesn't work and makes behavior WORSE in the kids exposed to them.  See askquestions.org for a jumping off point to the research claim "deosn't exist."

I know Rudy Bentz.  I know dozens of kids abused by him.  You can't tell me it didn't happen.  Just because someone hasn't been arrested (he does have an arrest record though, you just didn't look for it), charged and convicted of abuse doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Since you seem to know nothing of RTC's, let me inform you that kids have no mechanism to report abuse (they are denied contact with the outside world including reporting agencies) and often if they do report, it's a question of the "troubled kid's word" against the staff.

I have personally seen Rudy Bentz physically abuse children.  You can't say it didn't happen.  You weren't there, I was.  So were many others abused at his hands.

You luckily escaped the abuse that many endured.  Good for you.  It doesn't make you right.

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No studies?  Are you nuts?  You must not have done even a cursory review of materials out there.



NAMH, NIH both released studies showing that RTC treatment doesn't work and makes behavior WORSE in the kids exposed to them.  See askquestions.org for a jumping off point to the research claim "deosn't exist."



I know Rudy Bentz.  I know dozens of kids abused by him.  You can't tell me it didn't happen.  Just because someone hasn't been arrested (he does have an arrest record though, you just didn't look for it), charged and convicted of abuse doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Since you seem to know nothing of RTC's, let me inform you that kids have no mechanism to report abuse (they are denied contact with the outside world including reporting agencies) and often if they do report, it's a question of the "troubled kid's word" against the staff.



I have personally seen Rudy Bentz physically abuse children.  You can't say it didn't happen.  You weren't there, I was.  So were many others abused at his hands.



You luckily escaped the abuse that many endured.  Good for you.  It doesn't make you right."

No not NAMH or NIH, I asked about the clinical study you claim was done at ASR

But nobody ever got to ask those questions in clinical studies, because ASR never okayed another scientific study.

your words not mine.

You mention that ASR is trying to cover-up his criminal past:

I think you have a bit of an agenda in defending ASR's serious shortcomings and covering up the sordid history of the drunken vehicular manslaughterer and child abuser Rudy Bentz

your words not mine

Where is this cover-up?  When were they brought forward and then refused to be made public knowledge by ASR?

Now, seriously after all these posts, and after I catch you in a ton of lies, you keep changing your story.  Now you claim to have first hand knowledge and have personally witnessed the abuse, sorry I just cant buy it.

Next time make your claims upfront and be honest with your information.

You claim I have an agenda !!!

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You're mixing me up with Julie.  Get your POSTS straight and look into the research I quoted.

You clearly DO have an agenda because you're willing to mix posts from different sources and use discrepencies to say people are lying.

READ FOR COMPREHENSION, then comment.

I said YOU were covering up Rudy's past, not ASR.  He was arrested for killing a man he struck with his car while driving drunk.  If you don't believe me, ask him.  He's made it public knowledge for years.  So, yes, you're lying about his past (he admits it, why wouldn't you?).

There are entire threads here dedicated to "Rudy Bentz - Abusive Animal."  Just search his name as I suggested.  Get your head out of the sand and wake up to the facts.  You OBVIOUSLY don't know this guy or you would know about his drunken driving killing escapade.
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[Deborah]

***They have a school with qualified teachers and are overseen by the state, but they are not accredited***

Which state agency 'oversees' them?

Not accredited, and no one monitors their behavior modification techniqes.
Those are considered red flags.

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On 2006-01-10 12:30:00, Deborah wrote:

"***They have a school with qualified teachers and are overseen by the state, but they are not accredited***



Which state agency 'oversees' them?



Not accredited, and no one monitors their behavior modification techniqes.

Those are considered red flags.

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BIG red flags.  Not to mention that the credits are worth dick for transfer or college application.   :roll:

According to state law ASR cannot issue dilpomas for their so-called "graduates" either.  Sounds like a lot of kids are going backwards there, just like at Academy at Ivy Ridge.  No accreditation - no diploma or transferable credits.

Some "school" huh?

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 12:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-10 12:30:00, Deborah wrote:


"***They have a school with qualified teachers and are overseen by the state, but they are not accredited***





Which state agency 'oversees' them?





Not accredited, and no one monitors their behavior modification techniqes.


Those are considered red flags.


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BIG red flags.  Not to mention that the credits are worth dick for transfer or college application.   :roll:



According to state law ASR cannot issue dilpomas for their so-called "graduates" either.  Sounds like a lot of kids are going backwards there, just like at Academy at Ivy Ridge.  No accreditation - no diploma or transferable credits.



Some "school" huh?

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What most kids do is take a test at their own highschol along with the courses that they completed when they get back.
ASR explains this on your first meeting.
My daughter was actually ahead of her class when she got back.
It is a pain, but most families arent looking soley for academics, the families are usually in crisis and the kid isnt going to school anyway.

If you are looking for just academics you would look elsewhere, and yes you are right they cannot issue diplomas.

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 12:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You're mixing me up with Julie.  Get your POSTS straight and look into the research I quoted.



You clearly DO have an agenda because you're willing to mix posts from different sources and use discrepencies to say people are lying.



READ FOR COMPREHENSION, then comment.



I said YOU were covering up Rudy's past, not ASR.  He was arrested for killing a man he struck with his car while driving drunk.  If you don't believe me, ask him.  He's made it public knowledge for years.  So, yes, you're lying about his past (he admits it, why wouldn't you?).



There are entire threads here dedicated to "Rudy Bentz - Abusive Animal."  Just search his name as I suggested.  Get your head out of the sand and wake up to the facts.  You OBVIOUSLY don't know this guy or you would know about his drunken driving killing escapade.

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Woops thought you ere julie, yea Rudy told us the drunk driving story when he was young.  It would suck if we all had wear our past mistakes on our sleeves.  but anyway Rudy has moved on and is no longer at ASR.

Sorry for the confusion, no cover-up, my meaning was with child abuse charges, which there are not any

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So it's not a "school" at all then.  Can't issue diplomas, can't issue transferrable credits.  So that's settled.

Now, since academics is not their primary purpose, they can't be registered as a school.  Are they properly registered as an RTC?  If so, how can they not provide 24/7 therapeutic care?

It looks more and more like this place is not a school and does not provide adequate mental health care either.  

They charge an awful lot of money for no credits/diploma and inadequate mental health care.  Seems pretty much like your typical money-making "TBS" scam. :roll:

[TheWho]

On 2006-01-10 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So it's not a "school" at all then.  Can't issue diplomas, can't issue transferrable credits.  So that's settled.



Now, since academics is not their primary purpose, they can't be registered as a school.  Are they properly registered as an RTC?  If so, how can they not provide 24/7 therapeutic care?



It looks more and more like this place is not a school and does not provide adequate mental health care either.  



They charge an awful lot of money for no credits/diploma and inadequate mental health care.  Seems pretty much like your typical money-making "TBS" scam. :roll: "

School: "An institution for the instruction of children or people under college age."

Its a school

[Anonymous]

Oh for crying out loud, here:  http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=Rudy Bentz&addterms=phrase&forum=all&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search'>Rudy Bentz

[Anonymous]

This one's interesting.  

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=80#82520

Before Cedu, Rudy was a kind, gentle man. I don't know if I ever heard him raise his voice in anger. Yes, he had a pretty big ego, but it really appeared to be a cover up for some major personal insecurities. His biggest vice in those days was his love of scotch. And, yes, I knew about the accident where he had hit and killed a man on the highway. He told me that the reason he wasn't charged was because the victim was drunk and had just walked in front of his car on the highway...not that he was cleared because the man was black.

I had visited Cedu - Running Springs a few times while I was still involved with him (1981). What was my impression of what I saw there? Most of you looked so squeaky clean, pleasant and polite. I remember being told that you were not allowed to part your hair in the middle..thought that was pretty odd. A lot of you were hanging on and clinging to each other (all same sex only). Some were bleary eyed. I was there for Thanksgiving dinner and remember one girl who looked extremely distraught. Later found out that she was on kitchen duty having just been brought back from an attempted run away. I felt sad for her.

When Rudy and I were in the process of breaking up, he began to put me through some of the methods he had been learning at Cedu. Trying to have a one on one "profeet" with me. I was very much against the breakup and trying anything to hang on. He even tried to stop me from using the bathroom when I needed to. Said I was "copping out", or something to that effect. I think that was the day I finally slugged him between the eyes and told him to get out of my house. He was not the same person I had known and loved. He also began to turn on another person who had been one of his best friends. None of his former friends could stand being around Jill, and when the 2 of them got together and tried to analyze and do a "profeet" number on him, that pretty much destroyed that friendship.

I made many attempts to contact him over the years. At first it was just to harass him, later I tried to have some contact with him as a "friend" who had been a major part of my life. He never reciprocated in any way. It was as if I had been some major vice in a life that was now behind him...almost as if I never existed.

So, what do I think when I read all of these things about him? I think that he was the perfect candidate for conversion to the Cedu "cult". He had some big voids which were crying to be filled with something other than scotch. Cedu filled that void. Made him feel like a person of power and even paid him to behave in such a way. Rudy hardly earned anything more than minimum wages before he was hired by Cedu. This was the big time for him.

So, I am sorry for all of the damage he did to so many of you. I do hope you are able to recover and be happy. I have since married a truly wonderful, kind, brilliant, talented man. I live in the woods of Montana with our horses, surrounded by nature. Life is good. And I do also hope someday Rudy exits from this dark place he is in and maybe at least feels badly about the pain he caused you and acknowledges that maybe it was not all done for the sake of saving you, rather for the sake of reinventing and empowering himself. He really used to be a good guy....but that was all so long ago.

Be well.