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« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
Sorry it took me so long (two days?!?) to post...
I don't check this board everyday.

As far as your concern about mental health professionals...it has nothing to do with your post about the heart attack incident, that I responded to.

Hyde is NOT a therapy school.  It offers an alternative to a therapy situation.  When a family interviews with Hyde, it is made VERY clear that if the family wants to be a part of the Hyde community and wants to work towards change in the Hyde perameter...than they should go for it.  It is made VERY clear that Hyde is not a therapy school and does not offer on campus professional mental health counselling, but if they want to augment their Hyde experience with therapy, it is available in town, but doesn't play a part in their actual Hyde experience.

Also...Don MacMillan did NOT leave for plagerism...it was an incident with Paul Hurd, who is still at the school.  Don left to get his Masters in Substance Abuse Counseling.

I am a former Hyde parent.

Thank you...Again I apologize for spelling and tardiness
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« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2005, 06:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-20 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry it took me so long (two days?!?) to post...

I don't check this board everyday.



As far as your concern about mental health professionals...it has nothing to do with your post about the heart attack incident, that I responded to.



Hyde is NOT a therapy school.  It offers an alternative to a therapy situation.  When a family interviews with Hyde, it is made VERY clear that if the family wants to be a part of the Hyde community and wants to work towards change in the Hyde perameter...than they should go for it.  It is made VERY clear that Hyde is not a therapy school and does not offer on campus professional mental health counselling, but if they want to augment their Hyde experience with therapy, it is available in town, but doesn't play a part in their actual Hyde experience.



Also...Don MacMillan did NOT leave for plagerism...it was an incident with Paul Hurd, who is still at the school.  Don left to get his Masters in Substance Abuse Counseling.



I am a former Hyde parent.



Thank you...Again I apologize for spelling and tardiness"


Thank you for your reply; I appreciate it .  (I should clarify that I'm the one who asked about Hyde's approach to kids with mental health issues.  I did not raise the issue involving Don MacMillan or the heart attack incident.  I don't know anything about that.)

With regard to the mental health issues, I certainly understand that Hyde doesn't advertise itself as a therapeutic school.  Now that our family has been affiliated with Hyde for more than 2 years, we've learned something we did not know when we enrolled: A VERY significant percentage of Hyde students struggle with major mental health issues.  Thus far we've encountered students diagnosed with eating disorders, bipolar disorder, depression, self-harming behavior (cutting), substance abuse, Tourette's syndrome, OCD, borderline personality disorder, etc.  We have encountered quite a few students whose struggles at Hyde (behavioral, academic, etc.) clearly seem to be related to their mental health problems.  We've talked with a number of parents who are also amazed that Hyde accepts so many of these kids who clearly need a mental health component built into their experience.  My spouse and I have now chatted with quite a few parents who are disgusted with Hyde's shortsiighted approach to this portion of the student population.

Yes, some kids have attitude problems that must be addressed.  But many Hyde kids have problems that are so much more severe than plain attitude issues; they're dealing with complex mental health problems that interfere with their performance at Hyde.  Hyde naively deals with this by imposing 2-4 and sending kids to wilderness.  We've also talked with a number of very experienced educational consultants who are equally horrified by Hyde's approach to these very complicated kids.

That's why we've decided to divorce ourselves from Hyde.  That's why many families get out, it appears.  In our view any parent whose kid struggles with these mental health issues would make a huge mistake if they enroll their kid at Hyde.  We've now learned of other schools that have a MUCH more enlightened, thoughtful, approach.  That's where we've decided to head
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« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2005, 07:20:00 PM »
There are parents who are seeking help for their child but do not want them in therapy or to see a mental health professional.  Maybe it is a stigma of some sort, but there is a school of thought that feels a child can be helped by simply changing their environment (or by removing them from the one they are in). Depends on the parents point of view
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« Reply #138 on: November 20, 2005, 07:54:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-20 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There are parents who are seeking help for their child but do not want them in therapy or to see a mental health professional.  Maybe it is a stigma of some sort, but there is a school of thought that feels a child can be helped by simply changing their environment (or by removing them from the one they are in). Depends on the parents point of view"


Obviously some parents seek help for their child that doesn't involve mental health professionals.  That's their prerogative.  The bottom line, however, is that many Hyde kids do not succeed there (look at the attrition rate and failure-to-graduate rate) and a major reason appears to be that they get "off track" because of their untreated or mistreated mental health issues.  For Hyde staff to believe that a kid who has major depression, bipolar disorder, OCD, etc. is struggling only because of an "attitude" problem is incredibly naive.  That's a major reason why so many educational consultants refuse to send kids to Hyde.  

The Gauld philosophy may work with a narrow range of kids, but it's widely believed that Hyde's high attrition rate is due partly to the mismatch between the school's model and the mental health needs of many kids who start there.  Adding to the problem is that Hyde's seminars often involve disclosure of remarkably sensitive, intimate details in groups run by teachers and other staff who have little or no training in the handling of such complicated mental health issues.  So, while Hyde says it doesn't do therapy, its clumsy and negligent handling of mental health issues is what is leading to Hyde's controversial and, in many circles, very poor reputation.
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« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2005, 07:55:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-20 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry it took me so long (two days?!?) to post...

I don't check this board everyday.



As far as your concern about mental health professionals...it has nothing to do with your post about the heart attack incident, that I responded to.



Hyde is NOT a therapy school.  It offers an alternative to a therapy situation.  When a family interviews with Hyde, it is made VERY clear that if the family wants to be a part of the Hyde community and wants to work towards change in the Hyde perameter...than they should go for it.  It is made VERY clear that Hyde is not a therapy school and does not offer on campus professional mental health counselling, but if they want to augment their Hyde experience with therapy, it is available in town, but doesn't play a part in their actual Hyde experience.



Also...Don MacMillan did NOT leave for plagerism...it was an incident with Paul Hurd, who is still at the school.  Don left to get his Masters in Substance Abuse Counseling.



I am a former Hyde parent.



Thank you...Again I apologize for spelling and tardiness"


What was the plagiarism incident involving Paul Hurd?
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« Reply #140 on: November 20, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-20 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry it took me so long (two days?!?) to post...

I don't check this board everyday.



As far as your concern about mental health professionals...it has nothing to do with your post about the heart attack incident, that I responded to.



Hyde is NOT a therapy school.  It offers an alternative to a therapy situation.  When a family interviews with Hyde, it is made VERY clear that if the family wants to be a part of the Hyde community and wants to work towards change in the Hyde perameter...than they should go for it.  It is made VERY clear that Hyde is not a therapy school and does not offer on campus professional mental health counselling, but if they want to augment their Hyde experience with therapy, it is available in town, but doesn't play a part in their actual Hyde experience.



Also...Don MacMillan did NOT leave for plagerism...it was an incident with Paul Hurd, who is still at the school.  Don left to get his Masters in Substance Abuse Counseling.



I am a former Hyde parent.



Thank you...Again I apologize for spelling and tardiness"


I have been reading through the many postings on this website concerning the Hyde School.  I am interested in finding out more about this school and its focus on character education.  But I am very concerned about some of what I'm reading here.  I gather that some people like the school and lots of people don't.

I've noticed a number of comments about scandals at the school (one or two headmasters who resigned, a teacher who had an inappropriate relationship with a student, plagiarism involving  an administrator, etc.).  I'd like to know more about these incidents if anyone has information.  Thanks.
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« Reply #141 on: November 21, 2005, 01:04:00 AM »
You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators?
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« Reply #142 on: November 21, 2005, 04:37:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-20 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators?  "


Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much.
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« Reply #143 on: November 21, 2005, 07:31:00 AM »
I don't think Paul did anything wrong...
Malcolm Gauld gave him a bunch of his old speeches and said..here, these are yours, do what you want with them...so Paul used a portion of one of Malcolm's speeches in a graduation speech and didn't credit him...

Pretty dumb huh?
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« Reply #144 on: November 21, 2005, 11:41:00 AM »
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"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators?  "




Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much."

So if I am  "tad" short on the facts, why don't you clear it up.  What justifies an administrator pushing a kid against a wall and choking them?

As far as Paul Hurd not giving Malcolm credit, if he didn't do anything wrong then why did the school send out letters to everyone explaining that he was leaving because of the incident?

I am very happy there is someone on this board who obviously is a part of Hyde. I hope you are willing to clear up what you say are misconceptions.
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« Reply #145 on: November 21, 2005, 05:53:00 PM »
Check out the Hyde Alumni News which I just received in the mail today 11/21/05 (does anyone at Hyde know how to spell Alumni corrctly - do they teach Latin there? - NO)

Anyway, - check out the "alumni news" FROM 1967 to 2005 - it is just four and one half pages...........and if you read this, much of it is "condolences" to fill the pages - and other bits are that a "Gauld" or "someone" attended a reunion" -

If this doesn't get the message to current concerned parents and to those who are even THINKING about Hyde, then nothing else will.

The glossy magazine is 47 pages - all HYPE but for the 4 1/2 pages of FORTY years of "class news"

CAVEAT - just read that Holly Thompson is head of the LEAD program - and that this is special ed help for your child with hands-on help, etc. - for this you spend several EXTRA thousands - WE did and it is nothing but a mandatory study hall in the evenings - No one was there to "tutor" or "help" - there were random staff assigned each night - it was just a hodge-podge of kids thrown into a room because their parents paid for it - there was NO help at all - caveat emptor....

If the Gaulds removed their name from any one of their publications, one would find that the publication was impressively slim and then not worth printing. Their name permeates every publication and "hype" effort - PLEASE don't support this family that is ALREADY living on the millions of dollars given STUPIDLY too their cult!!
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« Reply #146 on: November 23, 2005, 12:27:00 AM »
Millions?  Please!!  The Gaulds are actually making BILLIONS and I know this as a FACT.  Its verifiable too, all you have to do is ask Malcolm.  If he says no, since we know everything he says is a lie, well, there you have it.  Proof positive.

He's actually not even trying to hide it.  Last time I was up there Malcolm was flashing some serious bling and driving a mazerati.  (Personally, I thought the cane and cape were a little over the top, but hey, ya gotta allow for personaly discretion in some of these things.)

How shameful.

That and the skant 4.5 pages of alumni news too.  Surely they have a bigger font, right?  What a collosal blunder to not use it!

Kudos to this poster.  Way to keep them on their toes.  Your finely honed analysis and rigorous honesty are a testament to the Detractors Of Hyde (aka "DOH").
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« Reply #147 on: November 23, 2005, 07:36:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-22 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Millions?  Please!!  The Gaulds are actually making BILLIONS and I know this as a FACT.  Its verifiable too, all you have to do is ask Malcolm.  If he says no, since we know everything he says is a lie, well, there you have it.  Proof positive.



He's actually not even trying to hide it.  Last time I was up there Malcolm was flashing some serious bling and driving a mazerati.  (Personally, I thought the cane and cape were a little over the top, but hey, ya gotta allow for personaly discretion in some of these things.)



How shameful.



That and the skant 4.5 pages of alumni news too.  Surely they have a bigger font, right?  What a collosal blunder to not use it!



Kudos to this poster.  Way to keep them on their toes.  Your finely honed analysis and rigorous honesty are a testament to the Detractors Of Hyde (aka "DOH")."


I too think everyone needs to be careful about how they criticize Hyde.  I think it's very fair to make comments about Hyde's model and misguided approach to education.  On this website there are many fair and thoughtful criticisms about Hyde's cult qualities, unskilled staff (some, not all), terribly negligent handling of students' mental health issues, abusive and destructive seminar format, Joe Gauld's arrogance and hypocrisy, unusually high admission and high attrition rates, and so on.  

But, I don't think anyone should be making allegations about the Gaulds' income, the school's fiscal balance, or any other matters about which we don't know the facts.  This is unfair and hits below the belt.  I would encourage everyone to limit their criticisms to their own personal experiences and observations.  Personal opinion is fine so long as it can be backed up with actual experiences and facts.  Anything else is pure and unfair speculation and conjecture.
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« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2005, 09:41:00 AM »
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"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators?  "







Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much."


So if I am  "tad" short on the facts, why don't you clear it up.  What justifies an administrator pushing a kid against a wall and choking them?



As far as Paul Hurd not giving Malcolm credit, if he didn't do anything wrong then why did the school send out letters to everyone explaining that he was leaving because of the incident?



I am very happy there is someone on this board who obviously is a part of Hyde. I hope you are willing to clear up what you say are misconceptions."


1.  Your statement about not knowing if the student provoked it suggests you don't know the details.  Without those, your post is meaningless.  In your follow on post you add new facts about choking the student.  Again, we don't know what led up to it, but if a student is a danger to himself or others, that would certainly justify physical restraint in my book.  Beyond that, I would need the details of the incident to evaluate it.  Hence my comment that your post is basically meaningless.

2.  The Paul Hurd incident was confusing to me.  Malcolm's letter said conflicting things. Yes, I gave this stuff to Paul to use as he saw fit.  No, he should not have used them and it was plagarism and is being removed (or stepping down).  I presume since this was Mal's brother in law, he was just throwing him a bone, but didn't read it all closely enough to think about it more.

As I've written before, the Paul Hurd incident to me is not evidence of Hyde being bad.  There is no school in the country not rocked by sexual assault, rape an other outrageous behavior by supervisorial adults.  And like the catholic church, many remove the teacher without legal action to avoid scandal.  Hyde did not have to deal with this situation so openly....but instead said, hey, we believe in honesty and openness, so we are going to let you in on an embarassing thing that hurts us all, but to be consistent, this is how we must handle it.

They aired their dirty laundry publicly and openly and handled the situation responsibly.  

That, to me, is evidence of their integrity.

That, to me, is evidence of Hyde's leadership.

You can spin it how you want, but what didn't happen was Hyde trying to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug.  Instead it sent a letter to the entire alumni community....not just current family and students.  Personally, I don't know if I would have ever found out about it, but for their aggressive exemplary behavior.  I tipped my hat to Hyde for this one.
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« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2005, 10:43:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-20 22:04:00, Anonymous wrote:




"You left out the time when one of the Gauld family, (through marriage) attacked a student. I would not doubt if the student provoked it, but I would hope someone in this man's position would be able to keep his cool. He apologized to the school afterwards, but what does this tell you about the quality of the administrators?  "










Since you're a tad short on the facts, not much."




So if I am  "tad" short on the facts, why don't you clear it up.  What justifies an administrator pushing a kid against a wall and choking them?





As far as Paul Hurd not giving Malcolm credit, if he didn't do anything wrong then why did the school send out letters to everyone explaining that he was leaving because of the incident?





I am very happy there is someone on this board who obviously is a part of Hyde. I hope you are willing to clear up what you say are misconceptions."




1.  Your statement about not knowing if the student provoked it suggests you don't know the details.  Without those, your post is meaningless.  In your follow on post you add new facts about choking the student.  Again, we don't know what led up to it, but if a student is a danger to himself or others, that would certainly justify physical restraint in my book.  Beyond that, I would need the details of the incident to evaluate it.  Hence my comment that your post is basically meaningless.



2.  The Paul Hurd incident was confusing to me.  Malcolm's letter said conflicting things. Yes, I gave this stuff to Paul to use as he saw fit.  No, he should not have used them and it was plagarism and is being removed (or stepping down).  I presume since this was Mal's brother in law, he was just throwing him a bone, but didn't read it all closely enough to think about it more.



As I've written before, the Paul Hurd incident to me is not evidence of Hyde being bad.  There is no school in the country not rocked by sexual assault, rape an other outrageous behavior by supervisorial adults.  And like the catholic church, many remove the teacher without legal action to avoid scandal.  Hyde did not have to deal with this situation so openly....but instead said, hey, we believe in honesty and openness, so we are going to let you in on an embarassing thing that hurts us all, but to be consistent, this is how we must handle it.



They aired their dirty laundry publicly and openly and handled the situation responsibly.  



That, to me, is evidence of their integrity.



That, to me, is evidence of Hyde's leadership.



You can spin it how you want, but what didn't happen was Hyde trying to keep it quiet and sweep it under the rug.  Instead it sent a letter to the entire alumni community....not just current family and students.  Personally, I don't know if I would have ever found out about it, but for their aggressive exemplary behavior.  I tipped my hat to Hyde for this one."


I agree that Hyde deserves credit for handling the Hurd incident openly.  And, I'm sure there are other instances where Hyde deserves similar credit.  Fine.

However, there's so much more that Hyde doesn't handle openly, and this is what leads to so much public criticism, controversy and skepticism among educational consultants.  For example, to what extent has Hyde openly acknowledged:

1.  The number of kids Hyde enrolls who have major mental health and substance abuse issues.

2.  The fact that Hyde has not employed mental health professionals to respond to these students' needs (in recent years there's only been a part-time person to facilitate a substance abuse group)

3.  Hyde's expectation that parents and students will disclose intimate details in seminars that often lead to major personal distress and conflict, all without any trained professional in the room to help manage some very disturbing incidents.

4.  Hyde's attrition rate.

5.  The number of kids who run away from Hyde.

6.  The academic backgrounds and "qualifications" of Hyde's faculty (some of whom seem to have very uneven, unimpressive academic backgrounds and teaching experience).
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