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Offline Deborah

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« Reply #120 on: August 14, 2005, 07:08:00 PM »
Here's the deal anon.
If you want to name the program you used or promote, we can certainly evaluate those things specific to that program.
Generally, yes that statement has histoically been proven to be true about the industry.

Fifty-some dead teens speaks loud. Something ain't right with this mode of 'therapy'. If it had been certain rx drugs or an herb that had killed this many teens, it would be off the market.
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« Reply #121 on: August 14, 2005, 08:18:00 PM »
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On 2005-08-14 12:03:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2005-08-14 11:46:00, Shortbus wrote:


"There are probably people out there trying to get rich in this industry.... but think about it, there are way easier ways to make a buck than wilderness therapy or theraputic boarding schools. Heck, become a dirtbag building contractor!





On another note, I just spent a while reading this thread. Lordy it was long. There are some pretty harsh posts in it. If some of you fornits old timers want to run new folks off I can see that it might work. If its just a trial by fire kinda thing I can understand that too but let people know what the intention is. Most of the topics produce stong emotions and opinions are pretty polarized. I like hearing from different sides - keeps things interesting.





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I disagree.  I know of few other ways to make THAT MUCH money with no accountablity whatsoever.



Think about it: $4000.00 per month per child in a facility that warehouses, let's say, 100 kids.



That's $4,800,000.00 per year gross income.  I know from working in this business, the the "top-end" places (the $4000.00/month type) operate at roughly 40% profit.  



So, the owner and any shareholders will whack up $1.92 million in profits yearly.



This leaves just over $2 million for pay, facilities, food, etc.  That's plenty to run a campus.



Also, think about places that are charging $300.00-$700.00 per DAY for WILDERNESS "therapy."  They're making an ENORMOUS profit.



They give the kids virtually no gear, no facilities, no medical treatment, hardly any food and supply a couple of uneducated, untrained staff that get paid $400.00 per WEEK.  Make no mistake about it, they're RAKING IT IN.



If they weren't in it for the money, why would they resist regulation so vehemently?  



I'll tell you why.  It's because if they're regulated, they will have to provide actual SERVICES and ADEQUATE care, and that costs MONEY, which will have to come out of their pockets.



If they were in it to help children, don't you think they'd want to use the best possible practices as outlined by the government and professional groups like the APA?



If so, why don't they?
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In many respects you are right, it still seems like a lot of work to put out a shingle, reel parents in and take their money. It would be so much easier to sit in an internet cafe in Nigeria and send out scam emails! And yeah, after working at programs and knowing how much I got paid and how much they charge parents I have wondered who's getting all the dough.  :???: As for regulation, we all know its a mixed blessing. More regulation is not necessarily good regulation. But when talking about caregiving, more regulation is probably a good thing. But if I was a parent looking to send my kid away - whether its to a TBS or YMCA camp, Id do a heck of a lot of research  before I acted. If I was coming up empty-handed as is the case with the program that was initially mentioned in this thread, Id probably put that program in the red flag pile.


Wow, who charges $700/day? Most are around $300, I think Adirondack Leadership charges $400+/day. I thought that was high.

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« Reply #122 on: August 14, 2005, 09:34:00 PM »
Um, count again...Im an Anon, and have not posted in the past 5 hours. nobody knows just how many Anons or whether they are female or not. Don't blame all these posts against your positions on two Anons. There are many.
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« Reply #123 on: August 14, 2005, 09:50:00 PM »
What???
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« Reply #124 on: August 14, 2005, 10:15:00 PM »
The comment about many Anons refers to this post from you Deborah...there are not two Anons...nor do they all know each other. That is just a guess on your part. Obviously there are more than 2 people who disagree with you.
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« Reply #125 on: August 14, 2005, 10:16:00 PM »
***The previous poster was pointing out how full of shit you are Dysfunction- you claimed the kids were given no gear and HE proved you wrong.

How did Anon2 know that Anon1 was male?
Are Pete and Karen back, tag teaming it anonymously?

There's a difference between "NO gear" and "virtually no gear".
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« Reply #126 on: August 14, 2005, 10:38:00 PM »
Anon 1 posted:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#123286

A different anon (2) posted and identified Anon 1 as male.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#123303

Or was Anon2, posing as a different person? Quiet possible, as he would certainly know his gender.

Let's see, you said:
nobody knows just how many Anons or whether they are female or not

and:

there are not two Anons
nor do they all know each other
there are more than 2 people who disagree with you.
Don't blame all these posts against your positions on two Anons
There are many.

Sooo, NObody knows, or YOU know.

I really hope the industry gets cleaned up, or another option becomes available to kids, because the more I interact with program parents the more I support the kids being somewhere, anywhere, outside the home. Bless them.
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« Reply #127 on: August 14, 2005, 10:42:00 PM »
If you think I have a child currently in a program or had a child in a program previously, you are incorrect. I have never had a child in a program, nor do I work for a facility, nor am I an educational consultant. Just because someone disagrees with your position does not make one a program parent. Sometimes, Deborah, you do not know everything. You assume alot but that does not make it fact. I cannot speak for other Anons posting on this board, but I personally, am no program parent.
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« Reply #128 on: August 14, 2005, 10:48:00 PM »
Boy I can see this thread has accomplished a lot in making changes.  Divide and conquer more likely.
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« Reply #129 on: August 14, 2005, 10:50:00 PM »
I am an Anon who previously had a child in a program. It was a tough stretch, but it was the right thing to do and worked out well for all concerned.  I have never worked for a program.  I am interested in the field and feel that I know a lot more than Deborah does, which isn't hard.
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« Reply #130 on: August 14, 2005, 11:02:00 PM »
Well, I'm beginning to imagine that you might be a little on the scizzy end of the spectrum, and definitely a waste of time.
Enjoy arguing with your 'selves'.
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« Reply #131 on: August 14, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »
I think I will take a stab at playing...'guess which troll is hiding under the bag'.

Anon 1 said------"If you think I have a child currently in a program or had a child in a program previously, you are incorrect. I have never had a child in a program, nor do I work for a facility, nor am I an educational consultant. Just because someone disagrees with your position does not make one a program parent. Sometimes, Deborah, you do not know everything. You assume alot but that does not make it fact. I cannot speak for other Anons posting on this board, but I personally, am no program parent."-----

My $ is that this troll, is correct, this troll is not a program parent---but rather, this troll is lawyer Troll.

Anon 2 said ----"I am an Anon who previously had a child in a program. It was a tough stretch, but it was the right thing to do and worked out well for all concerned. I have never worked for a program. I am interested in the field and feel that I know a lot more than Deborah does, which isn't hard."-----

I agree, that this troll is a program parent, and is...let's see Ben's Dad Troll??

How did I do????  :em:
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« Reply #132 on: August 14, 2005, 11:18:00 PM »
I am not a lawyer. Why do you care WHAT or WHO the Anon people are? There are obviously many different ones and most probably don't know each other. Once again, it doesn't take a program parent, employee, ed consultant, or lawyer to see through the blind bashing of programs some of which are perfectly fine. Some are not, but the slant of these boards is to make the assumption that every single facility in the United States is a horrible place where abuse takes place daily to every student and where every director/owner, whatever is out to make money and nothing else. A little bizarre to say the least!
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« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2005, 11:25:00 PM »
Temper, temper. No need to get so defensive and angry! LUV YA!  :lol:
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« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2005, 11:45:00 PM »
Angry is definately something I am not. More like amused from some of the reactions on this board  ::argue::  :grin:
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