Carlbrook

[Froderik]

We call those types Lady boys for a reason froderik.

Oh no...  :rofl:

[TheWho]

See that?s the difference in our thinking. If you you falter and find yourself in crisis or at risk you may have to conform to a well defined or preset path that is defined by someone else in an attempt to get you back on a safe course.

Back to this again? Thanks for the high praise, btw. One of the things I've read since last we tussled was Steal This Urin Test. You should read it. See, in it--Hoffman's last publication just prior to his dubiously alleged suicide--he pulls nearly a 180 on the point of letting someone else direct our path out of the various kinds of trouble he most concerned himself with. He went from a Summer of `70 view of libralism almost full circle back to a more Jeffersonian view.

In other words, don't let some do-gooder inside the Beltway dictate to us how best to behave and be decent human beings. Think for ourselves instead, take care of our neighbors and friends ourselves.

That's what really ended the crack "epidemic" (fad, really, if ya want a more accurate term) People looked around, saw what was happening and decided they didn't want to be like the crack head down the street.

Wow I remember that book, early 90?s I believe, it sparked a huge ethical debate within a Company that I was with at the time of how employees should be screened or if they should be screened at all.  The company opted to not screen at all.  But now the insurance companies got involved because employees are suing their employers for not being understanding and paying for rehab and paid extended leave of absences to clean up etc. that drug testing is being forced upon us or our premiums will go up.  So what do we do?  One of the companies I am involved with develops drug testing equipment (primarily for the pharmaceutical industry) but are also purchased and used by local labs.  Our employees handle pharmaceutical grade drugs on a daily bases cocaine and a full spectrum of narcotics so random drug testing is essential if for anything to protect the employees.  But now by testing these people we are seeing more than we should.  The latest systems HPLC and GC/MS (Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometer) can detect and document a full spectrum analysis of what is in your system ie, nicotine, pain killers, depression medications,  viagra etc.  These extensive tests are being more widely used because of the many ways to fool the ?Bladder Cops? (Bleach, a few Drano crystals under the finger nails, drop of blood etc.) that we have to be careful of false positives, negatives.  But the results may reveal too much about the person and violate their rights to privacy so this is becoming a battle between the insurance companies and the courts with large businesses stuck in the middle.  Anyway, I'm on a tangent, sorry..............
I don?t recall Hoffmans 180, I would like to see that again.  I do agree that we need to always think for ourselves but kids need to be guided down the right path and protected. Some kids will see the danger and avoid it others will not.   Each child is different, some kids can come home after school and be trusted to an empty house at age 10 and others can not.

[TheWho]

2N uses thought reform tactics just like Synnanon and is linked to Synannon/CEDU.

See what TSW drew up that everyone seems to forget.

When we accuse 2N of doing emotional mind-fuck nonsense, saying "I was a student there and I feel it helped me" does nothing about what we had to say!

For one, by nature of what we're accusing them of doing, if you say it feel it helped you, thats because of how manipulative it is. It would take them... not doing the shit we know they do, and being reviewed by an expert, not a student from the pace, and him saying it has changed for us to accept it.

For two, coallation is not causation.

For three, you're not an expert, you were a (supposedly) messed up kid who went through a wilderness camp that uses mind-fuck techniques. You FEEL it helped you, you dont KNOW it did, and nobody can demonstrate 2N does any good at all, just like every other program out there, TBS or wilderness or not.

For four, emotional arguements still don't hold any water.

Sorry HLA was so bad to you, if you're actually who you say you are and not a troll, at any rate.

Niles, give the kid a break.  He/She is expressing and sharing their experiences.  It was expressed in a commonly excepted language (English) so no need for interpretation, especially by someone who was never there.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy there were a number of claims you made last night, are you now prepared to back them up?

[TheWho]

Cindy there were a number of claims you made last night, are you now prepared to back them up?

Sorry, but I am not.  I speak my mind, I am not going to do your busy work for you everytime I step on your toes.  If my information seems inaccurate to you simply present me with your findings and we can discuss it if a particular point seems important to you, but I am not going to have all my posts notarized and apostilled.
If people feel my posts are bs or get to a point where they are not interested in what I have to say then they can just pass over them based on the ID to the left of the post, that?s what I do, it?s a nice system.

[RobertBruce]

Right. Cindy all you have to say is that you were talking out of your ass yet again and one more time cannot back up your own statements.

You current excuse seems to boil down to someone saying 2+2=11 and then demanding someone else prove them wrong. No idiot that isn't the way it works, YOU made the claim so YOU get to back it up. Otherwise its dismissed as the nonsensical bullshit of some jackass who never knows what the hell he's talking about.

This seems to be fairly typical behavior from you Cindy. Have you thought about getting some help? I know of a few places you'd fit right in. I find it ironic that you keep babbeling on and on about people not growing or changing since the last time you graced us with your presence. Yet the fact of the matter is you are the one who hasn't changed, youre still just as dumb and full of yourself as you ever were. Some people just can't change I guess.

In any event here are the claims you made, back them up or acknowledge you were wrong.

Exactly!! So at least we agree the car needs work !! 6 months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing

Provide the quote from me stating something that insinuates this is how I either currently feel or felt in the past. I am not going to provide every statement I have ever made on here as a means of disproving you. If you recall me making such a statement it should be no problem for you to find it. Best of luck.

My analogy would, yes, a majority of posters, here on Fornits use to suggest that doing nothing was the best course of action for kids who were in trouble.

Prove it. Provide statements and numbers to back up your claim. If you can't just say so. I'm sure everyone will understand.

[TheWho]

Right. Cindy all you have to say is that you were talking out of your ass yet again and one more time cannot back up your own statements.

You current excuse seems to boil down to someone saying 2+2=11 and then demanding someone else prove them wrong. No idiot that isn't the way it works, YOU made the claim so YOU get to back it up. Otherwise its dismissed as the nonsensical bullshit of some jackass who never knows what the hell he's talking about.

This seems to be fairly typical behavior from you Cindy. Have you thought about getting some help? I know of a few places you'd fit right in. I find it ironic that you keep babbeling on and on about people not growing or changing since the last time you graced us with your presence. Yet the fact of the matter is you are the one who hasn't changed, youre still just as dumb and full of yourself as you ever were. Some people just can't change I guess.

In any event here are the claims you made, back them up or acknowledge you were wrong.

Exactly!! So at least we agree the car needs work !! 6 months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing

Provide the quote from me stating something that insinuates this is how I either currently feel or felt in the past. I am not going to provide every statement I have ever made on here as a means of disproving you. If you recall me making such a statement it should be no problem for you to find it. Best of luck.

My analogy would, yes, a majority of posters, here on Fornits use to suggest that doing nothing was the best course of action for kids who were in trouble.

Prove it. Provide statements and numbers to back up your claim. If you can't just say so. I'm sure everyone will understand.

Sorry Bob but the expression is "1+1=11" Facts and figures just dont seem to be your forte and would be lost on you anyway.  I wont waste my time..............you will have to take my word or discard it as rubbish let the readers decide

[ZenAgent]

If he keeps this shit up, every Who album I own from My Generation to Endless Wire is going in the trash.  Change your name, whoboy, you're creating negative associations.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like some ripe candidates for SIBS.

I'm listening to Live at Leeds right now...

[Troll Control]

The readers have decided.  You are full of shit.  We've known this all along.  I just don't understand why people keep responding to you.  You have beem proven factually wrong many, many times and are just the average moron who thinks (incorrectly) that he is an industry player because you incarcerated your kid and read a book.  We got it already.  You are hereby officially dismissed as 'rubbish'.  Have a nice day!

[Anonymous]

The readers have decided.  You are full of shit.  We've known this all along.  I just don't understand why people keep responding to you.  You have beem proven factually wrong many, many times and are just the average moron who thinks (incorrectly) that he is an industry player because you incarcerated your kid and read a book.  We got it already.  You are hereby officially dismissed as 'rubbish'.  Have a nice day!

 :rofl:  :rofl:   ::drummer::  ::rocker::  ::bangin::  ::bwahaha::  ::bwahaha::  :rofl:  ::bwahaha2::  :nworthy:  :nworthy: ::both:: :tup:

[TheWho]

The readers have decided.  You are full of shit.  We've known this all along.  I just don't understand why people keep responding to you.  You have beem proven factually wrong many, many times and are just the average moron who thinks (incorrectly) that he is an industry player because you incarcerated your kid and read a book.  We got it already.  You are hereby officially dismissed as 'rubbish'.  Have a nice day!

Thank you, we needed that intervention/mediation.  Well, I guess that decides it....  Bob Should be happy.... I will accept your facts and figures at face value.  Although you calling me a moron who thinks incorrectly and can read a book is actually an oxymoron in itself if you think about it.  That?s a classic line???

[RobertBruce]

Sorry Bob but the expression is "1+1=11"

I'm sorry I wasn't actually using a cliche, rather I was making an illustration to point out your nonsensical logic. I'll try and use more familiar catch phrases next time in order to help you out, I wouldn't want you getting overly confused.

Facts and figures just dont seem to be your forte and would be lost on you anyway

Really? This of course is coming from the same guy who claimed there were 10,000 psychologist in the United States and that an entire organization signing off on a document equals out to one person. This is also coming from the same man who couldnt wrap his mind around the difference between doing as well as 75% of schools or doing worse than 75% of schools.

I wont waste my time..............you will have to take my word or discard it as rubbish let the readers decide

You won't waste your time backing up your own claims?

This is a smart tactic Cindy, I can see now why so many people respect you. Oh and as to the other readers, the verdict seems to be in.

Now back to the issue at hand:

Exactly!! So at least we agree the car needs work !! 6 months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing

Provide the comment I made which insinuates I feel now or have in the past felt this way.

My analogy would, yes, a majority of posters, here on Fornits use to suggest that doing nothing was the best course of action for kids who were in trouble.

Provide numbers and statements proving this comment to be correct.

[TheWho]

Sorry Bob but the expression is "1+1=11"

I'm sorry I wasn't actually using a cliche, rather I was making an illustration to point out your nonsensical logic. I'll try and use more familiar catch phrases next time in order to help you out, I wouldn't want you getting overly confused.

Facts and figures just dont seem to be your forte and would be lost on you anyway

Really? This of course is coming from the same guy who claimed there were 10,000 psychologist in the United States and that an entire organization signing off on a document equals out to one person. This is also coming from the same man who couldnt wrap his mind around the difference between doing as well as 75% of schools or doing worse than 75% of schools.

I wont waste my time..............you will have to take my word or discard it as rubbish let the readers decide

You won't waste your time backing up your own claims?

This is a smart tactic Cindy, I can see now why so many people respect you. Oh and as to the other readers, the verdict seems to be in.

Now back to the issue at hand:

Exactly!! So at least we agree the car needs work !! 6 months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing

Provide the comment I made which insinuates I feel now or have in the past felt this way.

My analogy would, yes, a majority of posters, here on Fornits use to suggest that doing nothing was the best course of action for kids who were in trouble.

Provide numbers and statements proving this comment to be correct.

Sorry Bob but the expression is "1+1=11" Facts and figures just dont seem to be your forte and would be lost on you anyway. I wont waste my time..............you will have to take my word or discard it as rubbish

I am not going back thru the archives to retrieve data for you.  It is busy work.  Why dont you go back and find the data you need and support your position if it is important to you.

[RobertBruce]

Once again idiot, it's your claim you back it up. You see you claim I said something which I never said, prove that I said it. You also claimed the majority of posters feel a certain way, provide a basis for this claim.

Let me offer you another example:

Attention everyone TheWho has sex with wild animals, usually forcibly.

Prove me wrong Cindy. I've made a claim yet I see no reason to back it up, until you can prove it to be untrue the claim stands, you rape woodchucks.

The thing I can't get is if you are either too stupid to get it or just too full of yourself to admit you've been beaten....again.



You let me know Cindy, and seriously lay off those woodchucks.