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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #2190 on: January 09, 2007, 07:04:14 AM »
I would just like to wonder why TheWho is trying his old argumentative bullshit again when we've been down this road before.

We won't be fooled again, dude.  :roll:

Carlbrook AND 2N both have been throughly debunked, so sorry, you won't get anywhere trying to insult us on the whole or by trying to patronize myself or others.

Why?

Carlbrook is still an LGAT-utilizing, cookie-cutter program with all the same links to CEDU/Syannanon that damn near everything else has, with quackery, levels, tons of other bullshit, and good ole' coercion and Isolation!

We really need to lock this thread because when it degenerates into nothing but repetition, it's a waste of time.  :o
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« Reply #2191 on: January 09, 2007, 07:55:13 AM »
From the HLA thread:  (so much for the debunking)

I completely agree with most of what lacey has said. I too am a former hla student, and also a Utah wilderness program student. I think that wilderness is definitely less harmful and more effective than a TBS type program. I was at second nature wilderness in 2002 before attending HLA and i feel it really helped me. I still keep in contact with both students and staff from the program. However, HLA was a very negative experience for me and my family. Having never been around cocaine going into the program it was available to me on several occasions in the short time i was there. Many people would sneak drugs in while returning home from breaks. I ended up leaving HLA 2 months after entering with a black eye and a broken nose which i received when a staff member decided to introduce my face to the ground for refusing to split firewood on restrictions. My parents were told i had gotten into a fight with another student.
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« Reply #2192 on: January 09, 2007, 07:58:51 AM »
2N uses thought reform tactics just like Synnanon and is linked to Synannon/CEDU.

See what TSW drew up that everyone seems to forget.

When we accuse 2N of doing emotional mind-fuck nonsense, saying "I was a student there and I feel it helped me" does nothing about what we had to say!

For one, by nature of what we're accusing them of doing, if you say it feel it helped you, thats because of how manipulative it is. It would take them... not doing the shit we know they do, and being reviewed by an expert, not a student from the pace, and him saying it has changed for us to accept it.

For two, coallation is not causation.

For three, you're not an expert, you were a (supposedly) messed up kid who went through a wilderness camp that uses mind-fuck techniques. You FEEL it helped you, you dont KNOW it did, and nobody can demonstrate 2N does any good at all, just like every other program out there, TBS or wilderness or not.

For four, emotional arguements still don't hold any water.

Sorry HLA was so bad to you, if you're actually who you say you are and not a troll, at any rate.
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« Reply #2193 on: January 09, 2007, 09:27:55 AM »
Quote from: ""Cassandra""
Ok, I've read all I have time for and then some and still haven't found where Gook has has horrifically wronged poor Karen. Looks more like she lost the argument on points and reverted back to the injured victim ploy. That's so often the insurmountable difference between program believers and those of us who have had enough of this bullshit to last a few lifetimes. You guys are arguing from an emotional standpoint while we vets are more concerned with facts and reason.

Listen up, please. This is serious business. I'm not some disgruntled teenager who doesn't want to clean her room or believe that excessive drug use can be dangerous. I'm a grown woman w/ grown kids who has come full circle and found that, now that I'm all grown up, I still don't understand all the bullshit that I was assured I would understand as soon as I was old enough. I don't understand it because it doesn't make sense, not because I'm too young or too fucked up.

Here's what you don't understand. And again, I'm not scolding you, I do believe you all are working from the best of intentions. But I know something that you don't know. You could know it, easily, as we're all here trying to tell you in as many ways as we can come up with.

It's really, really simple. There's something vital and irreplaceable about that unconditional family bond. And no matter how lucky you may get w/ one particular program or counselor having not fucked up your kid's psyche too obviously or too much, you still have smashed something that you cannot ever fully repair. You have invited strangers into your parent/child relationship for pay.

Look at it this way. Say you and your spouse are having significant trouble in the bedroom. Do you send him or her off to a prostitute for a little training? Or do you work it out together? Maybe you do hire a pro and are happy as hell with the results. But I don't think I care to have much intercourse with a society that operates that way. I'll just stick with keeping private things private and public things public, thanks very much.


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« Reply #2194 on: January 09, 2007, 11:04:16 AM »
robert bruce writes:

My own recomendation towards wilderness programs also has to do with my own experience. I found it to be less of a cookie cutter therapy aproach and more centered on allowing the individual to remove all the distractions from their life and focus on their own needs, not deal with a bunch of greedy quacks trying to force bullshit therapy on us.


Seems like those with some actual experience aren't quite as willing to denounce wilderness
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« Reply #2195 on: January 09, 2007, 11:07:10 AM »
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Seems like those with some actual experience aren't quite as willing to denounce wilderness

Shut up, penis breath! :rofl:

And next time be patient before clicking the submit button again.
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« Reply #2196 on: January 09, 2007, 11:07:50 AM »
Right.

That was still uselessly vague, still completely ignored all the greivances we have brought up, is devoid of specifics, and does not actualy talk about any acutal therapy done noncoersively at an actual wilderness place.

Just generalities that fall apart in the face of speciifcs.

Nice try, but it ain't cutting it until Robert talks about a "Good" wilderness place that is noncoersive and has an actually proven track record.
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« Reply #2197 on: January 09, 2007, 11:08:57 AM »
noncoersive is voluntary.
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« Reply #2198 on: January 09, 2007, 11:09:59 AM »
Why do these people bother trying to argue over here?

Will someone tell me why??  :rofl:
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« Reply #2199 on: January 09, 2007, 11:10:22 AM »
voluntary coersion usually is called "calling up a dominatrix"  :rofl:
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« Reply #2200 on: January 09, 2007, 11:13:59 AM »
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voluntary coersion usually is called "calling up a dominatrix"  :rofl:

Consensual abuse....   ::bwahaha2::
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« Reply #2201 on: January 09, 2007, 11:15:21 AM »
BDSM is neither abusive nor involuntary, is what nobody realizes...
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« Reply #2202 on: January 09, 2007, 11:17:58 AM »
I give it a few minutes at most?
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« Reply #2203 on: January 09, 2007, 11:21:46 AM »
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BDSM is neither abusive nor involuntary, is what nobody realizes...

I use the term (abuse) loosely there; come on, work w/ me..  :lol:
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« Reply #2204 on: January 09, 2007, 11:22:36 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Anyone on opening up a betting pool on if I can find a Korean Chick who likes BDSM as the dominxtrix?

I don't know about Korean, but I know there are some that fit that description in Thailand...
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