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« Reply #1080 on: April 14, 2006, 02:45:00 PM »
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I checked with many parents, interviewed the senior staff of the school and got to know some of the senior therapists very well. I am in touch with some of the therapists who have left the school...


"The lady doth protest too much..."

This is a short-stroke job if I ever saw one.

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You are so full of balogna.
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« Reply #1081 on: April 14, 2006, 02:46:00 PM »
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Non-conformity is definitely OK.


Big, FAT lie right here.  This is ridiculous.
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« Reply #1082 on: April 14, 2006, 02:49:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-14 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:


Non-conformity is definitely OK.  There are no group confessions or love bombing.

How do you know?  You've said that you don't really need to know what goes on in there, so how do you know?


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Is it possible these Workshops are quite different from the LGAT seminars?

Possible, but highly unlikely.

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First of all, keep in mind that these vulnerable, troubled teenagers NEED their behavior modified.

The only way to 'modify someone's behavior' against their will is to break it first.  Bad, very bad.

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If Carlbrook has figured out a way to aid them in examining themselves and their behavior in a non-abusive manner, good for them!"


You keep saying that but you provide NOTHING in the way of evidence that it doesn't follow the LGATs.  Those are most definitely abusive.  

Again.........how are the seminars different from LGATs.
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« Reply #1083 on: April 14, 2006, 02:52:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-14 05:57:00, Anonymous wrote:


If the founders of the school and the senior staff set up a different model, these people are very capable of buying in and changing the way they operate.




What model would that be?
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« Reply #1084 on: April 14, 2006, 03:02:00 PM »
What happened to the other thousand posts in this thread?  Where did it all go?

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« Reply #1085 on: April 14, 2006, 03:16:00 PM »
If it is SGAT that is being done ,it is an effective means to enhance selling ability. It is especially good when the product your selling is shitty.

 Cars and ligtbulbs are not distressed adolecscents. The proccess of therapy is considerably more complex. And incarcerated adolescents are among the toughest populations. You have individuals who are misdiagnosed and are mentally ill, individuals who are developing symtomology, sociopaths, and emotionally fragile kids. And then there are vendettas, scapegoats, premeditated pile ons.etc. A therapist who isn't careful can find two residents in a physical confrontation. Even good sound therapuetic technique need to be put into the context that you are dealing with an indivdual. So the


therapist has to be extremely alert and sensitive to the possible harm that the group proccess can entail. It is not a one size fits all.
  I don't know what they do at Carlbrook. Apparantly nobody knows, or they are afraid to disclose it. I hope it is not regression therapy because that is extremely dangerous in this population. Idividuals exposeded to this can disasociate, or recover false memories, which disable ego funtioning. This retards their ability to discover who they are which is one of the primary task of adolesence.
     "We have argued that while many participants experienced a sense of enhanced well-being as a consequence of the training, these experiences were essentially patholigical. First, ego funtions were systematically undermined and regression was promoted by environmental structuring, infantalizing of the participants and repeated emphasis on submission and surrender Second the ideation or interpretive framework provided in the training was also based upon regressive modes of reasoning-the use of all or nothing categories, absolutist logic and magical thinking, all of which are consistant with the egocentric thinking of you children. Third, the content of the training stimulated early narcissistic conflicts and defenses, which accounts for the elation and sense of heightened well-being achieved by the many participants. The devaluation of objective contraints upon a person's action promoted grandiose fantasies of unlimited power. A collary to this devaluation of the external world wits that interactions with others lacked substance. People appear to be interchangeable so that ephemeral, indiscriminate emotional contacts, were experienced as profound and meaningful. "  This was written in Psychiatry "Pathology as Personal Growth."
I don't know what Carlbrooks workshops are like but I am skeptical of the great emotional catharthis these kids are
are feeling, and the potential discord when their world views collides with their home environment.
   Regression therapy, rebirthing, and emotional cathartic therapy has no empirical validation and
no acceptance with the mainstream mental health establishment. Could that be a reason why those workshops, practices, excercises and procedures have no disclosure? Please Carlbrook make a contribution to all of us so we may understand just how you make people better.








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« Reply #1086 on: April 14, 2006, 07:46:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-14 12:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What happened to the other thousand posts in this thread?  Where did it all go?



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Its all here, just more posts per page now.
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« Reply #1087 on: April 15, 2006, 08:11:00 AM »
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I do not have a script of the seminars. I did not need to know the exact content.

then


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I know they were not emotionally abusive. I know the kids slept and ate. I know everyone came out of them- and I mean EVERYONE- with a sense of accomplishment and renewal.



"I don't know the bad stuff, but I can guess about the good stuff."

You don't know anything about it.  And you keep going on about "20 Carlbrook students."  You know 20 of them because you're an Ed Con sending kids there for profit.  We saw you working the WWASPS threads too saying exactly the same thing about them.  

You are a disgusting human being.
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« Reply #1088 on: April 15, 2006, 08:12:00 AM »
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I know they were not emotionally abusive. I know the kids slept and ate. I know everyone came out of them- and I mean EVERYONE- with a sense of accomplishment and renewal.


100% success rate, huh?  Right.  :roll:

Some people will say anything to turn a profit.
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« Reply #1089 on: April 15, 2006, 08:32:00 AM »
I am not an EdCon.  I did speak to a lot of Carlbrook kids over the last few years.  I never claimed 100% success rate. I said that at the conclusion of the seminars, the kids had positive feelings about themselves and had gained insight. Of course post-Carlbrook there is nowhere near 100% success rate.  I know nothing about WWASP.
My information about the seminars comes from the kids who have attended them. I know the positives because that is the ONLY thing anyone (again, with the exception of Ben on this thread who walked off of the campus and returned to hard drug use) has ever said.
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« Reply #1090 on: April 15, 2006, 08:33:00 AM »
By the way, an Educational Consultant can not "send" kids to Carlbrook.  They turn away many kids. THere is a long assessment before admission. There is no profit to an EC for recommending Carlbrook.
Good try and good demonstration of your ignorance.
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« Reply #1091 on: April 15, 2006, 09:35:00 AM »
I don't think Karen is an edcon, just a psycho.
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« Reply #1092 on: April 15, 2006, 09:38:00 AM »
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I did speak to a lot of Carlbrook kids over the last few years.


How many?
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« Reply #1093 on: April 15, 2006, 05:34:00 PM »
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I know nothing about WWASP.


Then why are posting in the WWASPS thread about their seminars?  And that you have personal experience with WWASPS.

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« Reply #1094 on: April 16, 2006, 10:11:00 AM »
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There is no profit to an EC for recommending Carlbrook.


With this statement and two slices of bread you can make a bologna sandwich.
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