Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-14 06:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Until you have a REAL understanding of the Carlbrook workshops, why don't you stop opining? You don't KNOW how they are conducted. You are basing your opinion on textbook information about a type of regression technique and you have no idea if this is how the Carlbrook workshops operate. And, no, there doesn't appear to be anyone willing to enlighten you. ."

We keep asking and the only answer I've ever seen is that they are, in fact, based on LGATs.  That's the info I'm going on.  If they're not done that way then by all means, correct me.  But please give me info, don't just scream that I'm wrong.  I may well be but you're not providing any additional info to say anything otherwise.

[Troll Control]

On 2006-04-14 06:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I like Glenn Bender.  He was my favorite person at Carlbrook."

I have been reading the feedback from all the posters about the pro's and con's of Carlbrook.
The foundation every program is built on, is the credibility of the owners and employees of the program, regardless of the type of program.

The first person on the list of key people for Carlbrook is Dr. Glenn Bender. He states on his resume he has 25 years experience as an educator and employee of a number of programs and schools.

Dr. Bender seems to have forgotten his place of employment just before Carlbrook. From 1999 until he started at Carlbrook, Dr. Bender was the Director of Admissions and Marketing at Alldredge Academy in Davis,West Virginia. In Feb 2001 a child died at Alldredge Academy. One year later, Alldredge Academy pleaded guilty to "Child neglect resulting in death".

Dr Bender was the primary recruiter of that childs family. He assured the family that Alldredge Academy was a safe and appropriate placement for a child with depression yet when the child died as a result of depression, Dr. Bender seemed to disappear.

I can understand why Dr. Bender would not want to list an employer with a criminal conviction on his resume, considering he was a major player in the crime.

In every field, weather it is academics or business, falsifying a resume is a serious breach of ethics usually resulting in dismissal. Did the other principals of Carlbrook not know or not care? In either event this creates a credibility issue and calls into question the honesty of the entire program.

[Troll Control]

We keep asking and the only answer I've ever seen is that they are, in fact, based on LGATs.

They are.  

They're the same "seminars," "workshops," "marathons," and "propheets" that the founders ran at previous abusive and shut-down institutions like CEDU and Alldredge Academy.

The only things that have changed are the program names and the prices.  It's still the same people doing the same stuff to kids.

[Anonymous]

They are not the same workshops.  The founders, Grant Price and the Merritts, did not run workshops at other abusive places, as you allege.
You have no idea what the workshops involve.  You are speculating based on the fact that you are convinced that Carlbrook is an abusive program.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-14 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They are not the same workshops.  The founders, Grant Price and the Merritts, did not run workshops at other abusive places, as you allege.

You have no idea what the workshops involve.  You are speculating based on the fact that you are convinced that Carlbrook is an abusive program.

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I said that I wasn't sure if Carlbrook was abusive or not.  I have a major problem with anyone that uses these types of 'seminars' in any way shape or form because I am all too familiar with them.

I'll ask AGAIN....what's the difference between the LGATs that they're based on and what Carlbrook is doing now?

[Troll Control]

You have no idea what the workshops involve.

Please state clearly what they are.  I would hope that you know exactly what your kid went through, so please just tell everyone and get on with it.

Give us the step by step script of the seminars.

[Anonymous]

I do not have a script of the seminars.  I did not need to know the exact content.  I know they were not emotionally abusive.  I know the kids slept and ate. I know everyone came out of them- and I mean EVERYONE- with a sense of accomplishment and renewal.  I know that kids who resisted everything about Carlbrook loved the workshops.  No, they were not brainwashed. I know that the foundation of the school was based on building self-esteem and finding the good in each kid.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-14 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I do not have a script of the seminars.  I did not need to know the exact content.  I know they were not emotionally abusive.  I know the kids slept and ate. I know everyone came out of them- and I mean EVERYONE- with a sense of accomplishment and renewal.  I know that kids who resisted everything about Carlbrook loved the workshops.  No, they were not brainwashed. I know that the foundation of the school was based on building self-esteem and finding the good in each kid. "

So, in other words you really no virtually nothing about it or them and that's A-OK with you because you have faith.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-14 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I do not have a script of the seminars.  I did not need to know the exact content.

Why not?  For something to produce the profound changes that you've stated must be pretty powerful.  I sure would want to know how they would accomplish whta you say they do.

I know they were not emotionally abusive.

How?  How do you know that if you have no clue as to how[/b] they work?

 

I know everyone came out of them- and I mean EVERYONE- with a sense of accomplishment and renewal.  I know that kids who resisted everything about Carlbrook loved the workshops.  No, they were not brainwashed.

You don't know that and very often you can't see the lasting damage until years after.  Sometimes it takes that long for the BM to wear off.

I know that the foundation of the school was based on building self-esteem and finding the good in each kid. "

Again, how do you know this if you no virtually nothing about how[/b] it works?

No one is saying that behavior modification doesn't work.  It's most effective.  What's important here is how it works.  I hope you see that before it's too late.

[Anonymous]

Nope- mistating me again.  I attended a mini-version of the seminar (as a parent). I have heard about the seminars from probably 20 Carlbrook kids- NO negative reports other than the one referenced on this forum a few pages ago by the boy who walked out of the program.  I checked with many parents, interviewed the senior staff of the school and got to know some of the senior therapists very well. I am in touch with some of the therapists who have left the school- NO reports of abuse or anything but total support of the workshops.  
I think this is a little more than faith, wouldn't you say?

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-14 10:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nope- mistating me again.  I attended a mini-version of the seminar (as a parent). I have heard about the seminars from probably 20 Carlbrook kids- NO negative reports other than the one referenced on this forum a few pages ago by the boy who walked out of the program.  I checked with many parents, interviewed the senior staff of the school and got to know some of the senior therapists very well. I am in touch with some of the therapists who have left the school- NO reports of abuse or anything but total support of the workshops.  

I think this is a little more than faith, wouldn't you say?"

No, I wouldn't.  I guess it depends on what your definition of abuse is.  I can't for the life of me understand why anyone in their right mind would subject anyone to that kind of crap let alone a vulnerable, impressionable, possibly troubled teenager.  Talk about a recipe for disaster!!!  Especially if you have no fucking CLUE as to HOW it accomplishes what you say it does.

[Anonymous]

Are group confessions used?  Are said confessions rewarded with 'love bombing'?  Is non-comformity OK?

[Anonymous]

Have you ever bothered to look at the history of LGATs?  If you have and you still see no problems then I guess the discussion is moot, you'll never see what we, as survivors of these places do because you don't want to.  It's easier for you to stay in your safe little insular world and pretend that the ends justify the means.

[Anonymous]

"Are group confessions used? Are said confessions rewarded with 'love bombing'? Is non-comformity OK?"

Non-conformity is definitely OK.  There are no group confessions or love bombing.

Is it possible these Workshops are quite different from the LGAT seminars?  Imagine that!

First of all, keep in mind that these vulnerable, troubled teenagers NEED their behavior modified. If Carlbrook has figured out a way to aid them in examining themselves and their behavior in a non-abusive manner, good for them!

[Anonymous]

"you'll never see what we, as survivors of these places do because you don't want to"

You did not attend Carlbrook.  You can not lump Carlbrook in with someplace you attended in the 80s and can't get past.  When we start hearing from Carlbrook kids who believe these seminars were abusive and that they were brain-washed, then I will start to pay attention.