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« Reply #1035 on: April 13, 2006, 03:40:00 PM »
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Huh? Looks like things are going really well here, but happy to help if need be."


Sorry, thought I was in the HLA forum.  And I just did it again right above you.  Sorry folks, don't knwo wtf is wrong with me today.  I PMed Ginger and asked her to fix it.
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« Reply #1036 on: April 13, 2006, 03:44:00 PM »
"Are kids threatened if they do not open up? Are these workshops based on Lifespring? Are kids deprived of sleep or food during these seminars? How many consecutive hours do these last? When are they allowed breaks? How are they different than WWASP seminars? Lots of kids speak highly of the WWASP seminars although they are highly clinically inappropiate. Just a version of brainwashing"

The Carlbrook seminars are not anything like this. There is no threatening and they are not based on Lifespring. The kids eat and sleep and have breaks. They can open up- or not- as they choose. In fact, most of them learn to trust their peers and they DO open up, which is a huge step.

DJ-you are the one who is ignorant.  And, yes, I will bash you whenever I please, since you delight in bashing anyone who dares to disagree with you. You have a very limited textbook understanding of SOME aspects of emotional growth programs- oh, plus your brief time at HLA. By the way, most parents who choose Carlbrook for their kids wouldn't even consider HLA. They aren't the same breed of animal.  You have NO knowledge of how the Carlbrook program operates or how incredibly gifted the therapists and staff are. You have refused to listen to the fact that the founders of Carlbrook went to Cascade and started Carlbrook because they WANTED A DIFFERENT MODEL.  

I can understand Little Lukie and Anonypis behaving the way they do, but you are a 40+ year old man who has the emotional IQ of a 12 year old. You use big words and vomit your anger and hate all over the parents and other program supporters on this board. When someone turns your tactics around on you, you piss and moan about it. I am sorry your entire self-esteem revolves around this forum, but you really are a joke.
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« Reply #1037 on: April 13, 2006, 03:49:00 PM »
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The Carlbrook seminars are not anything like this. There is no threatening and they are not based on Lifespring. The kids eat and sleep and have breaks. They can open up- or not- as they choose. In fact, most of them learn to trust their peers and they DO open up, which is a huge step.


How do you come by this knowledge?
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« Reply #1038 on: April 13, 2006, 03:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 12:29:00, TheWho wrote:


I havent demanded clinical studies that state ASR or Carlbrook is harmful.  If I had the discussion would be over because they dont exist.




But there is strong clinical data that states that the seminars are harmful, very harmful.  Carlbrook and ASR both utilize the LGAT type seminars, no?
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« Reply #1039 on: April 13, 2006, 03:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 12:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-13 12:16:00, Anonymous wrote:


I havent demanded clinical studies that state ASR or Carlbrook is harmful.  If I had the discussion would be over because they dont exist.



But there is strong clinical data that states that the seminars are harmful, very harmful.  Carlbrook and ASR both utilize the LGAT type seminars, no?"


I think it is more like SGAT, very small groups which get together.  Awareness training is utilized nation wide in many industries.  Ford Motor company uses this with their sales force.  LGAT is typically used to get a point or idea across in very little time (hours, a day)  because it is not cost effective to have people sitting in training seminars for weeks at a time.  I am sure if this is abused it could be harmful (like anything else), so yes it could be misused.  

I am far from a defender of all programs, I have seen very bad results coming out of some of them.  I am a strong believer that the results of a few schools dont refelct the reality of the entire industry.  I spent a summer in Russia driving their "Prada" I think it is called and spent half the time on the side of the road, but I didnt take this as a reflection on the entire automotive industry around the world.  Some dont do well, we need to focus on those areas.
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« Reply #1040 on: April 13, 2006, 03:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

""Are kids threatened if they do not open up? Are these workshops based on Lifespring? Are kids deprived of sleep or food during these seminars? How many consecutive hours do these last? When are they allowed breaks? How are they different than WWASP seminars? Lots of kids speak highly of the WWASP seminars although they are highly clinically inappropiate. Just a version of brainwashing"



The Carlbrook seminars are not anything like this. There is no threatening and they are not based on Lifespring. The kids eat and sleep and have breaks. They can open up- or not- as they choose. In fact, most of them learn to trust their peers and they DO open up, which is a huge step.



DJ-you are the one who is ignorant.  And, yes, I will bash you whenever I please, since you delight in bashing anyone who dares to disagree with you. You have a very limited textbook understanding of SOME aspects of emotional growth programs- oh, plus your brief time at HLA. By the way, most parents who choose Carlbrook for their kids wouldn't even consider HLA. They aren't the same breed of animal.  You have NO knowledge of how the Carlbrook program operates or how incredibly gifted the therapists and staff are. You have refused to listen to the fact that the founders of Carlbrook went to Cascade and started Carlbrook because they WANTED A DIFFERENT MODEL.  



I can understand Little Lukie and Anonypis behaving the way they do, but you are a 40+ year old man who has the emotional IQ of a 12 year old. You use big words and vomit your anger and hate all over the parents and other program supporters on this board. When someone turns your tactics around on you, you piss and moan about it. I am sorry your entire self-esteem revolves around this forum, but you really are a joke."


Wow.  This shows a lot about you.

Someone with no education, no experience and a complete fasilure as a parent shouldn't be lecturing.

You've already admitted that you KNOW NOTHING about the workshops (never saw one, can't describe one, don't even know the basics), nothing about LGA and nothing about programs in general.  I was a practicing clinician for ten years.  You are not my intellectual peer - not by a long shot, so don't inflate your worth.

You may fancy yourself special, but you're a cookie-cutter version of the other ignorant dogmatists that post here, nothing more, nothing less.  No facts, no evidence, just "because I said so."  Sorry, but only other ignoramuses will buy that line.

For years people just like you were saying the same things about HLA - "It's the best,"  "They wanted to start something better,"  "They're qualified," etc.  Well, all of that is demonstrably false.  It takes time for the facts to come out.  Rest be assured that they will.  We'll see who's right then.  You'll be eating crow, just like the nice folks at HLA.

You know absolutely nothing about me, not even my age, but yet you project like you know something.  You don't.  Save your breath.

I noticed once again though, that as soon as you are forced to admit your ignorance you spew venom.  And you talk to my esteem?

Get a grip.  Argue your point and let the facts talk because your opinion is worth exactly zero.

You're a "different breed"?  Yes, an arrogant, ignorant blue-blooded snob.  I agree completely.

Have a great day!
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« Reply #1041 on: April 13, 2006, 03:55:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 12:54:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


Wow.  This shows a lot about you.



Someone with no education, no experience and a complete fasilure as a parent shouldn't be lecturing.



You've already admitted that you KNOW NOTHING about the workshops (never saw one, can't describe one, don't even know the basics), nothing about LGA and nothing about programs in general.  I was a practicing clinician for ten years.  You are not my intellectual peer - not by a long shot, so don't inflate your worth.



You may fancy yourself special, but you're a cookie-cutter version of the other ignorant dogmatists that post here, nothing more, nothing less.  No facts, no evidence, just "because I said so."  Sorry, but only other ignoramuses will buy that line.



For years people just like you were saying the same things about HLA - "It's the best,"  "They wanted to start something better,"  "They're qualified," etc.  Well, all of that is demonstrably false.  It takes time for the facts to come out.  Rest be assured that they will.  We'll see who's right then.  You'll be eating crow, just like the nice folks at HLA.



You know absolutely nothing about me, not even my age, but yet you project like you know something.  You don't.  Save your breath.



I noticed once again though, that as soon as you are forced to admit your ignorance you spew venom.  And you talk to my esteem?



Get a grip.  Argue your point and let the facts talk because your opinion is worth exactly zero.



You're a "different breed"?  Yes, an arrogant, ignorant blue-blooded snob.  I agree completely.



Have a great day!
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« Reply #1042 on: April 13, 2006, 04:10:00 PM »
You can give it out but you sure can't take it, can you DJ?
I am SO above you in intellect that it is laughable. I believe you have shared repeatedly about your wonderful expertise in the mental health area.
The one fear ANY parent has is that there kid might wind up with a "mental health professional" like YOU.
YOU are the one who doesn't address the facts. Facts such as the excellent credentials of the Carlbrook senior staff and their goal-which has been accomplished- of starting a school based on a different model.  It doesn't really matter what I know or do not know about the Carlbrook workshops or all the other crap you want to claim they are- YOU have not attended one, know nothing about the model for the workshops and are just blowing it out your ass, as usual.
Now take your toys and go back to the HLA thread so you can pat yourself on the head for supposedly being SO right about its demise.  Oh, WAIT- it's STILL out there!
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« Reply #1043 on: April 13, 2006, 04:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


YOU are the one who doesn't address the facts. Facts such as the excellent credentials of the Carlbrook senior staff and their goal-which has been accomplished- of starting a school based on a different model.

What different model would that be?


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It doesn't really matter what I know or do not know about the Carlbrook workshops or all the other crap you want to claim they are- YOU have not attended one, know nothing about the model for the workshops and are just blowing it out your ass, as usual.

We keep hearing you guys stating that they're not harmful in any way, that they're different.  How?  You won't answer questions like that.


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Now take your toys and go back to the HLA thread so you can pat yourself on the head for supposedly being SO right about its demise.  Oh, WAIT- it's STILL out there!"


Yes and may very well continue to be.  Most of the programs that have been shut down hobbled along for quite a while after they were taken to task.  There's a shitload of gullible, naive parents out there, but eventually they closed.  It just takes a little time but you can't deny that they're in a bit of a free-fall at the moment.  Staff is scattering like a bunch of cockroaches on the kitchen floor when you flick the light on.  Damage control is in full swing.
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« Reply #1044 on: April 13, 2006, 05:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 12:32:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2006-04-13 12:11:00, TheWho wrote:


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On 2006-04-13 11:32:00, Anonymous wrote:



"I have not been through the Carlbrook workshops- and neither have you. If a graduate wants to debate this with you, I will leave it to them.



I don't have any issue with the workshops or how they are run.  The kids- and I have spoken to MANY of them- think they are very valuable and enlightening.



We get that DJ thinks they are harmful and worthless. Since you don't know anymore about how they operate than I do, I guess the best judge is the kids who have been through them.  We have one negative report.  Many positives that I am aware of."







Hey, dont sweat it,  its the mentality of the argument.  You could have easily demanded to have them provide you with a list like:





? Which Universities/ colleges do you feel the counselors, advisors, Psychologists etc. should come from?  





If a school has a campus but more than 50% of their students participated in on-line courses, would this disqualify the students from ever working for Carlbrook?  How do you support your answer?





What degrees are acceptable?  and why?





Which on-line courses are not acceptable ? and why?





Please explain and layout an acceptable course outline for each position?





Which courses should be avoided if they plan to work at a TBS?





Should a candidate also have a background in education?  If,so which school?  Can these schools also offer online course?





Please provide a list of all overseas schools which you feel to be unacceptable and why.





Thank you, I?ll be waiting for you response.
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This is how some derail the argument when they don?t know how to respond.


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Idiotic red herring.
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Thank you, exactly my point.  See what it looks like from the other side?
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« Reply #1045 on: April 13, 2006, 05:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You can give it out but you sure can't take it, can you DJ?

I am SO above you in intellect that it is laughable. I believe you have shared repeatedly about your wonderful expertise in the mental health area.

The one fear ANY parent has is that there kid might wind up with a "mental health professional" like YOU.

YOU are the one who doesn't address the facts. Facts such as the excellent credentials of the Carlbrook senior staff and their goal-which has been accomplished- of starting a school based on a different model.  It doesn't really matter what I know or do not know about the Carlbrook workshops or all the other crap you want to claim they are- YOU have not attended one, know nothing about the model for the workshops and are just blowing it out your ass, as usual.

Now take your toys and go back to the HLA thread so you can pat yourself on the head for supposedly being SO right about its demise.  Oh, WAIT- it's STILL out there!"


Your responses are completely laughable.  The idea that you are intellectually superior to a houseplant is laughable.  The idea that abusers from shut-down programs are starting something "new" is laughable.  You, lady, are a laughing stock.

Even idiot-boy (Who) has to come on this thread to follow DJ around.  Who are you people kidding?  All you do is follow DJ around and bash him.  He has full control over both of your lives because you are both so pathetically weak.  

How does it feel to be completely and utterly controlled?  Probably the same way it feels to look in the mirror and realize you've accomplished nothing in your life but screwing up your kids so bad that they can't function in society.

You are both weak-minded failures and the proof is in the pudding.  You needed a program to do the job that you completely failed at performing.
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« Reply #1046 on: April 13, 2006, 05:37:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-13 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


"You can give it out but you sure can't take it, can you DJ?


I am SO above you in intellect that it is laughable. I believe you have shared repeatedly about your wonderful expertise in the mental health area.


The one fear ANY parent has is that there kid might wind up with a "mental health professional" like YOU.


YOU are the one who doesn't address the facts. Facts such as the excellent credentials of the Carlbrook senior staff and their goal-which has been accomplished- of starting a school based on a different model.  It doesn't really matter what I know or do not know about the Carlbrook workshops or all the other crap you want to claim they are- YOU have not attended one, know nothing about the model for the workshops and are just blowing it out your ass, as usual.


Now take your toys and go back to the HLA thread so you can pat yourself on the head for supposedly being SO right about its demise.  Oh, WAIT- it's STILL out there!"




Your responses are completely laughable.  The idea that you are intellectually superior to a houseplant is laughable.  The idea that abusers from shut-down programs are starting something "new" is laughable.  You, lady, are a laughing stock.



Even idiot-boy (Who) has to come on this thread to follow DJ around.  Who are you people kidding?  All you do is follow DJ around and bash him.  He has full control over both of your lives because you are both so pathetically weak.  



How does it feel to be completely and utterly controlled?  Probably the same way it feels to look in the mirror and realize you've accomplished nothing in your life but screwing up your kids so bad that they can't function in society.



You are both weak-minded failures and the proof is in the pudding.  You needed a program to do the job that you completely failed at performing.

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Okay, DJ, you can log back in now.
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« Reply #1047 on: April 13, 2006, 05:57:00 PM »
DJ, You tried the same thing over on the ASR thread and it didnt work.
We understand, you took a beating today.  Just learn to be nice to people, listen and converse like an adult.
When you feel a little better log back in and play nice.





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« Reply #1048 on: April 13, 2006, 05:57:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-13 13:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-13 13:10:00, Anonymous wrote:



YOU are the one who doesn't address the facts. Facts such as the excellent credentials of the Carlbrook senior staff and their goal-which has been accomplished- of starting a school based on a different model.



What different model would that be?





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It doesn't really matter what I know or do not know about the Carlbrook workshops or all the other crap you want to claim they are- YOU have not attended one, know nothing about the model for the workshops and are just blowing it out your ass, as usual.



We keep hearing you guys stating that they're not harmful in any way, that they're different.  How?  You won't answer questions like that.





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Now take your toys and go back to the HLA thread so you can pat yourself on the head for supposedly being SO right about its demise.  Oh, WAIT- it's STILL out there!"




Yes and may very well continue to be.  Most of the programs that have been shut down hobbled along for quite a while after they were taken to task.  There's a shitload of gullible, naive parents out there, but eventually they closed.  It just takes a little time but you can't deny that they're in a bit of a free-fall at the moment.  Staff is scattering like a bunch of cockroaches on the kitchen floor when you flick the light on.  Damage control is in full swing."


CAn anyone answer these?
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« Reply #1049 on: April 13, 2006, 06:34:00 PM »
Another red flag.......a HUGE scarlett, crimson, blood red, screaming flag.

?Google search on Carlbrook and Len Buccellato.
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