Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'll have to find out if 1) that's true and 2) why they aren't.  I know more about the academic accreditation mess and was just giving my professional opinion on that."

Does it not strike you as the least bit odd though that they would advertise as a TBS but not be licensed as either a treatment facility OR a school?

[Anonymous]

Not really.  Sometimes it takes forever to get everything sorted out.  Has Carlbrook been sued for anything since they opened?  The amount of requirements to become licensed and accredited is abundant.  Their insurance companies alone will police that situation...at least the TBS licensing.  The academic accreditation is something completely different.  I just called a friend at the Lovett School in Atlanta.  The SACS accreditation process takes 7-10 years and is an ongoing process.  Carlbrook has not had enough time to become fully accredited yet.

[Anonymous]

Ah, they're going for Secondary School status instead of Special Purpose, just like the friends at HLA.
http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceed ... didate.pdf

Did Buchi/NATSAP work a deal with them to classify all their programs as SSs?

[Anonymous]

The school has not been sued.  If you read the website, they do not claim to be a treatment center, so no need for licensing. They have an Advisor Program, which is where the counseling and group work comes in. It is made quite clear to parents considering the school exactly what goes on and what the school will deal with and what they will not.
It seems when you run out of things to criticize you turn to the accrediation thing.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-07 11:13:00, Anonymous wrote:


They don't even take kids with serious learning differences.  They are very selective in who they will accept.  "

Who does this selecting?  Who decides whether or not a kid has serious problems or not?"

The applicants are required to take a battery of pychological/educational testing by a licensed professional.  The Director of Admissions and the Board of Regents (which includes an MD) make the call on admission.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Ah, they're going for Secondary School status instead of Special Purpose, just like the friends at HLA.

http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceed ... didate.pdf



Did Buchi/NATSAP work a deal with them to classify all their programs as SSs?"

I didn't say that Carlbrook was going for Secondary School status.  I don't know what they've applied for.  I was giving an example of how long any accreditation process takes.  And, if you think secondary school status is crap, just think how long it would take them to be accredited another, perhaps in your view, a better way.  Please don't put words in my mouth.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Not really.  Sometimes it takes forever to get everything sorted out.  Has Carlbrook been sued for anything since they opened?  The amount of requirements to become licensed and accredited is abundant.  Their insurance companies alone will police that situation...at least the TBS licensing.  The academic accreditation is something completely different.  I just called a friend at the Lovett School in Atlanta.  The SACS accreditation process takes 7-10 years and is an ongoing process.  Carlbrook has not had enough time to become fully accredited yet."

Lordy, lordy, you people are full of shit- but then, perhaps that what someone else told you...

3.12 Candidates for Accreditation
A school or school district applying for accreditation must first be approved by the State Council;
the Nonpublic and Special Purpose School Council; or within the policies of CASI. A school seeking candidacy must satisfy the following conditions:

1. The head of the school must file a formal application for candidacy along with payment of a non-refundable application fee.

2. The school must host a readiness visit to determine the capacity of the school to achieve
accreditation.

3. The school must be approved by the State Council or designee; Nonpublic and Special Purpose School Council or designee; or within the policies of CASI to proceed as a candidate for accreditation.

4. A school may maintain candidacy for up to three years. The school should complete
requirements for accreditation within three years. SACS CASI may extend the three year
period if the school demonstrates a continued commitment to seeking initial accreditation. [Indefinitely???]

5. During the period of candidacy, the school must take sufficient action to meet the Standards for Accreditation, engage in a satisfactory continuous school improvement process, submit an annual accreditation application, and pay annual dues. [Yes, don't forget those union dues!!]

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-07 11:52:00, Anonymous wrote:


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Ah, they're going for Secondary School status instead of Special Purpose, just like the friends at HLA.


http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceed ... didate.pdf





Did Buchi/NATSAP work a deal with them to classify all their programs as SSs?"

I didn't say that Carlbrook was going for Secondary School status.  I don't know what they've applied for.  I was giving an example of how long any accreditation process takes.  And, if you think secondary school status is crap, just think how long it would take them to be accredited another, perhaps in your view, a better way.  Please don't put words in my mouth."

Ooops.  I'm really sorry.  I misread.  So I see they are going for SACS.  Well, that solves the academic side for me.  They are more a school than a treatment center do I guess they are going that route.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 11:59:00, Anonymous wrote:


5. During the period of candidacy, the school must take sufficient action to meet the Standards for Accreditation, engage in a satisfactory continuous school improvement process, submit an annual accreditation application, and pay annual dues. [Yes, don't forget those union dues!!]"

Are these annual applications available to the public?

[Anonymous]

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Lordy, lordy, you people are full of shit- but then, perhaps that what someone else told you...
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Can you just talk about this without getting nasty?

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Their insurance companies alone will police that situation...at least the TBS licensing.

I wish this were true, but, sadly, it isn't.  

There generally isn't anything called "TBS licensing," because there are currently only a couple of states (I think UT and MT - where people who serve in the legislature actually OWN programs) that recognize "TBS" as a category of residential child care.

They must be either academic or a child care facility.  

To be a licensed child care facility they must register with the state, follow regulations and employ licensed professionals.  Carlbrook does none of those things.

To be registered as a school, by law, they may not provide treatment planning.  This is why they always register as a private school and don't tell the state they are a "TBS."

Some of these places just register as private corporations and make no claims to therapy or schooling.

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[Anonymous]

How are the Wilderness Programs insured and/or licensed?

[Anonymous]

Re Utah:
The new law defines "therapeutic schools" as serving students "who have a history of failing to function at home or public school" and that offer "room and board and specialized structure or treatment related to a disability   or emotional development."
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Whitmore%204-29-05.htm

[Troll Control]

OK, here's the irony.  MOST STATES have a category for wilderness programs.  They must be licensed by the state and receive yearly inspections to stay current.  Ain't that somethin'?

Insurance for all of these places is strictly blanket liability.  Most places that I know of carry a minumum of $1 million (bottom of the barrel places like Thayer Learning Center) and most of the expensive programs carry between $10 and $20 million (Like HLA).

They tend to get sued a lot, but settle nearly every case.  Seeing one of these places go to trial is incredibly unusual because it opens bigger cans of worms for them (they'd rather pay and have a gag order regarding the settlement).

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 12:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-07 11:59:00, Anonymous wrote:



5. During the period of candidacy, the school must take sufficient action to meet the Standards for Accreditation, engage in a satisfactory continuous school improvement process, submit an annual accreditation application, and pay annual dues. [Yes, don't forget those union dues!!]"

Are these annual applications available to the public?"

Can anyone answer this?  If they're not available, is it public info as to whether or not they've at least filed them?  Would the whole application file be public record?