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« Reply #600 on: March 12, 2006, 11:14:00 AM »
Yes... because you are SO concerned with the kids locked up. You payed tens of thousands of dollars to keep your kid locked up and you are questioning other peoples motives?? You just said 'save', so you too consider them in a position they need to be saved from??? Shows a lot about you... willing to argue to send kids to an place they need to be saved from, whats wrong with you? "
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What makes you think I locked my kid up?  You don't know me.  Quit making assumptions.
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« Reply #601 on: March 12, 2006, 11:15:00 AM »
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What makes you think I locked my kid up? You don't know me. Quit making assumptions.


Then tell us what are YOU doing to save kids, since you are so concerned with SAVING kids from carlbrook? You wouldn't of said it if you didn't consider it bad, so please - DO TELL.
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« Reply #602 on: March 12, 2006, 11:17:00 AM »
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On 2006-03-12 07:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Did I say I didn't like it?  You are the kind of poster that makes me happy that I got my kid some help.  I'm allowed to be here and you can call me anything you like but your hostility will discredit all of you, even those of you with valid and polite arguments.  "


Wow, seek help.
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« Reply #603 on: March 12, 2006, 11:21:00 AM »
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What makes you think I locked my kid up? You don't know me. Quit making assumptions.

I said it because you said this:

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Again, you are not doing the kids you are trying to save any favors. Did you write that? I thought this was supposed to be a thread dedicated to the Carlbrook School.

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Did I say I didn't like it? You are the kind of poster that makes me happy that I got my kid some help. I'm allowed to be here and you can call me anything you like but your hostility will discredit all of you, even those of you with valid and polite arguments.

Either two anons with an exactly similar writing style posted within minutes of each other, or you already said you are happy you got your kid 'some help'. Am I wrong, was that post not yours, because its easily checked?

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What makes you think I locked my kid up?


Because you just said so. So where did you get your kid 'some help' then?
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« Reply #604 on: March 12, 2006, 12:55:00 PM »
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What makes you think I locked my kid up? You don't know me. Quit making assumptions.



Then tell us what are YOU doing to save kids, since you are so concerned with SAVING kids from carlbrook? You wouldn't of said it if you didn't consider it bad, so please - DO TELL."


I love Carlbrook.  So did my kid.  I was just pointing out that the foul language was shadowing your opinions.
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« Reply #605 on: March 12, 2006, 01:19:00 PM »
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I love Carlbrook. So did my kid.


We drank the kool-aid together thru a double krazy straw.

Your kid LOVED Carlbrook?  Highly doubtful.
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« Reply #606 on: March 12, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »
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I love Carlbrook. So did my kid. I was just pointing out that the foul language was shadowing your opinions.


I am pointing out how obvious your lies are.
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« Reply #607 on: March 17, 2006, 12:51:00 AM »
So I think someone just mentioned me way back on page 2; I was "that kid" who requested to be sent to the woods in the middle of the winter. Weird.
   Yeah, I went back to the woods, because they said if I did then I wouldn't have my graduation moved back (kept there for several extra months) because of the trouble I got myself into. They also said that I'd only be there (in the woods) for 2 weeks, so I wouldn't miss the last workshop (or seminar, for those who have attended different programs where that's the nomenclature preferred).
   So that deal looked pretty good, and went off to the freezing Colorado wilderness, where I was informed after an extra 3 weeks that no, I couldn't graduate on time, as had been promised, and that I'd have to stick out another 6 months.
   I was, at that point, heartbroken because all of the closest friends I'd ever had (one of the arguably few good things that comes out of Carlbrook and --I'm surmising-- its sister programs) would be graduating without me. So I said I wasn't willing to do that and went to go to California to finish highschool and live with my grandparents. It might just be the Stockholm-syndrome speaking, but it's probably the only real regret I have.
   And yeah, I relapsed, and my use was far, far worse than it had been before Carlbrook/the two wilderness programs, but I eventually decided that enough was enough and went and got some 12-step help. I definitely have less in the way of criticism for those programs than I do the emotional-growth regimes, although one does notably need an internal desire to make them work.
   Anyway, there's a nice ramble. I'm sure I'll read more and think of stuff I wish I'd said. I'd love to hear from anyone with any opinion- my email is bensturgess@hotmail.com, my AIM is BSturgess1985
   Peace,
Sturge
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« Reply #608 on: March 17, 2006, 02:58:00 AM »
So I did a little of the reading suggested by one disgruntled ex-student of some abusive program somewhere, (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awa ... hology.htm) and not only did I take a long trip down memory lane, I also am now reconsidering what was left of the 'positive' experiences I had at Carlbrook; namely, the workshops. I don't really know what to think now, although that paper certainly lines up with the opinions of most of the shrinks I've talked to since leaving the 'Brook.
   Any parent curious about the methods that the school uses in the scant-discussed workshops, as well as any grad who wants to really fuck up their Carlbrook experience and take a nice dose of vitamin C (for cynicism) should read that.
   -Sturge
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« Reply #609 on: April 04, 2006, 12:26:00 AM »
Why no new postings on Carlbrook - understand there is still a lot of problems with lots of parents upset and kids walking
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« Reply #610 on: April 04, 2006, 09:32:00 AM »
I'm a parent.  Things are going smoothly.  Only know of one kid that walked about six weeks ago and he's back. One kid went home when he turned 18.  We like Carlbrook.  Anon, could you be stirring the pot?
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« Reply #611 on: April 04, 2006, 12:49:00 PM »
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On 2006-03-16 23:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So I did a little of the reading suggested by one disgruntled ex-student of some abusive program somewhere, (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awa ... hology.htm) and not only did I take a long trip down memory lane, I also am now reconsidering what was left of the 'positive' experiences I had at Carlbrook; namely, the workshops. I don't really know what to think now, although that paper certainly lines up with the opinions of most of the shrinks I've talked to since leaving the 'Brook.

   Any parent curious about the methods that the school uses in the scant-discussed workshops, as well as any grad who wants to really fuck up their Carlbrook experience and take a nice dose of vitamin C (for cynicism) should read that.

   -Sturge"


Welcome to full consciousness, young man.  It can be disappointing sometimes, but it serves you best in the long run to know exactly what was done to you in the name of "therapy."

I've been saying for years that this is a failed treatment modality and that the industry is rife with hucksters, charlatans and snake oil salesmen.  When will the quackery cease?
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« Reply #612 on: April 04, 2006, 12:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 06:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm a parent.  Things are going smoothly.  Only know of one kid that walked about six weeks ago and he's back. One kid went home when he turned 18.  We like Carlbrook.  Anon, could you be stirring the pot?"


Of course you do.  You're not the one that has to live there.  

I'll be so glad when we get the laws changed so that putting your kid in a private prison is illegal.

I don't know for a fact your kid wasn't court ordered to Carlbrook, but no kid should ever have to be incarcerated by their parents.

Carlbrook may be the equivalent of just a minimum security prison, but it's still effectively a private prison.

Prisoners in minimum security can just walk away if they like.  They'll still be fugitives.  If caught, they'll either go back to minimum security prison, most likely to serve a longer sentence than before they walked *or* they'll be sent to a higher security or otherwise more unpleasant prison.

Which is exactly analogous to Carlbrook and the other Programs whose cheerleaders allege the Program isn't a prison because the inmates could just walk out if they chose.

Minimum security prison is still prison.  The state and federal prison systems understand that.  It's only Programmies who lie to themselves (and us) and try to pretend it's not.

I want what you're doing to be illegal.  In future, I want parents who succeed at doing what you're doing to go to jail, along with the owners and operators of any private jails who still continue to accept parent-placed kids.

I'm just one person, but I'm also a New York Times bestselling author who reaches an entirely different audience from Fornits or the various survivor organizations.  I reach Republican current and former military, and their families, who don't know this is happening in their America and are going to be livid when they find out.  I will be reaching out to my readers.

I'm just one person, but if enough individuals reach out and use whatever their own special resources are to get the word to as many people as possible, sooner or later we *will* succeed at getting the laws changed.

What you're doing is wrong.  It ought to be illegal, and breaking those laws ought to carry jail time.

The vast majority of voters don't know what you're doing.  You're doing it under their radar.  When we get enough awareness among those voters to change the law, I hope you have to live with the scorn of the rest of society for doing this if you keep stubbornly insisting you've done nothing wrong at all and that you continue to be happy with doing this horrible thing.

It's one thing for the former program parents that have remorse.  The ones that have no remorse for what they did or are doing are another thing altogether.

Most of society, if they knew what you are doing, would see it as monstrous.  Know that.

I hope some day you will be able to see that it was monstrous, too, and that you'll at least be sorry for what you did.

Julie
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« Reply #613 on: April 04, 2006, 02:21:00 PM »
Just what I thought...stirring the pot so that Julie could put on her Birkenstocks and start running her mouth.  New York Times Best Selling Author??  Hard to believe. Does that make you an expert.  Bill O'Reilly is a best selling author, too.

By the way, Carlbrook doesn't take ANY court ordered kids and kids, especially those over 18, must agree with the decision to be there.  

Julie, why don't you continue to stir up the other threads as an anon so you can write and write and write...
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« Reply #614 on: April 04, 2006, 02:36:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-04 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Just what I thought...stirring the pot so that Julie could put on her Birkenstocks and start running her mouth.  New York Times Best Selling Author??  Hard to believe. Does that make you an expert.  Bill O'Reilly is a best selling author, too.



By the way, Carlbrook doesn't take ANY court ordered kids and kids, especially those over 18, must agree with the decision to be there.  



Julie, why don't you continue to stir up the other threads as an anon so you can write and write and write...



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Would you kindly enlighten us on what the experts do say about Carlbrook's program and it's success rate?

If we're not taking people's word for this information, surely you have copious documentation based on painstaking research into the subjects at Carlbrook, right?

Please cite any clinical research studies that have been conducted and the statistical analysis of their results.

Thanks.
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