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« Reply #630 on: April 05, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
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I looked at traditional boarding schools that didn't have enough- or any-therapy components


I don't get it.  Your son is not mentally ill, but requires residential placement?

Why didn't he just go to a pshrink near home and go to school like normal kids do?

What was his need for a residential treatment placement?
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« Reply #631 on: April 05, 2006, 02:34:00 PM »
Wait a minute...are you baiting me for debate?  He needed some therapy but not a lock down.  He's learned to solve his problems without turning to drugs.  He was never addicted but was heading in that direction. His psychiatrist likes the program and likes it because it has a more traditional boarding school feel and approach.  Yes, there's therapy and yes, he's not allowed to come home during regular holiday times to find his old crowd.  But he made the best of a bad situation and, if you actually mean what you say, I know you are happy for him.
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« Reply #632 on: April 05, 2006, 02:48:00 PM »
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Wait a minute...are you baiting me for debate?

No.  I'm trying to understand why a normal, healthy kid would have been sent to a residential treatment center.  

You see, for therapy to be effective at all, it needs to be delivered under the least restrictive conditions possible.  It sounds to me like there really is no reason to send a kid like yours to a residential treatment center.

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Yes, there's therapy and yes, he's not allowed to come home during regular holiday times to find his old crowd.

So, when he does come home, are you going to ship out the rest of the crowd so he won't be around them?  To think that separating him from his friends is going to solve any problems is a bit Pollyanna, don't you think?  Obviously, if there's a drug problem it is your kid's problem, not he environment's.

There's an old saying in substance abuse treatment: "Wherever you go, there you are."  

Nobody can walk away from their problems.  They're internal.  Without treatment (Carlbrook has no licensed ASAT counselor and specifically states they don't treat addiction), guess what?  The problem remains.  This is why "TBS's" enjoy a 75% recidivism rate (which is, by the way, 25% lower than if left to chance - the "do nothing" option).

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But he made the best of a bad situation and, if you actually mean what you say, I know you are happy for him.


Of course I am.  I am also scared for him.  When he gets home, all the same problems will be waiting for him.
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« Reply #633 on: April 05, 2006, 03:20:00 PM »
This becomes the problem. They show the research and it looks good because your not trained to ask the right questions about the research. This is what makes trying to choose one of these places dangerous.
While doing my reasearch I came across a sight by a Dr. Connor. He stated emphatically that wilderness therapy works! He stated it like it was a consensus. Furthermore he was running a non profit institute, The Mentor Institute. But when you actually looked at the research it was laughable. The nonprofit was just a cover to legitamize industry marketing. Even their own spokesperson Dr. Behrens,admits that is a dearth of outcome research. There is nothing using another therapuetic modality as a control group. If the treatment works, why after decades, is their no evidence? Believe me, it is not that hard to come up with a decent research design. I'll bet they didn't mention anything about the surgeon general's report which concluded that based on the current evidence, residential treatment wasn't effective. If your child wasn't that screwed up why not try family therapy? Did you get an indepenedent psyc evaluation which recommended this? For the money you are paying to send him away you could hire his favorite counselor there to be your childs full time companion, plus a  full time teacher. Or hire a full time pschologist. Or a full time MSW plus plenty of tutoring. Help him discover his inner child or other disguarded new age theories  while you work on your communication skills with him at home.
  With teen agers the pre-frontal cortex, the part of the brain that governs impulse control is still inmature. It won't be fully developed unil the early to mid twenties. When an artificial environment is used to control their physical environment and psychological developement, they lose the benefits of the natural maturation proccess. They feel more angry depressed and confused when they find out that there is a disconnect between the milieu they were in and pragmatic application.These evironments don't help them internalize controls but usually retards them.  In short it doesn't work for them because they been taught a system of relating to the world which does not account for the uniquness of their individuality. Their jouney through life has been hijacked by pirates.
    What these schools do is run a very sophisticated con game. They pass off satisfaction surveys and parent testimonials as evidence of methodological correctness. They use behavior questionairs and sell them as diagnostic tools. These behavior surveys are nothing more than a cruel form of advertisement. They are fishing for a certain type of kid. They are looking for the pain the ass, inmature, drug abusing, minor anger management types. The type of kid who can be easily treated in a community setting. The prey on gullable parents unfamiliar with mental health research and protocal. Their favorite targets are parents unfamiliar with normative teen behavior.   When ,in fact, most of this teenage bullshit disappears with age as longistudinal studies suggest. Normal life situations, college, girlfreinds, moving out of the family system in a normal way, jobs, the birth of their own children, more experience in making choices, brain development, heavily conspire to bring sanity. The top dawg of the child world will soon be the bottom dawg of the adult world. And with that a whole new set of adaptive behaviours.
These TBS's are absolutely seriously damaging for a whole host of conditions they claim to treat. These include depression, ADD/HD, Mental illnesses that require psychiatric supervision and medication. And although most of the staffs are well intentioned, they are undereducated, and undertrained. Even the staff with masters levels (from real universities) are unexperienced with other modalities of treatment and buy into the program as a result of ignorance.
Before you decide to keep your kid at Carlbrook do the proper due diligance and get an opinion from a competent independent mental health professionals who have examined your child. Let them interpret for you evidence.
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« Reply #634 on: April 05, 2006, 03:23:00 PM »
He's a strong kid and I'm not worried.  You don't know any of us.  He wanted to get away from the drugs and that's why he, yes he, chose Carlbrook.  It's easy to get drugs at traditional boarding schools.  I hope he will be fine.  But, if he starts snorting coke again you'll be the first to know so that i can brighten your day.
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« Reply #635 on: April 05, 2006, 03:30:00 PM »
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Before you decide to keep your kid at Carlbrook do the proper due diligance and get an opinion from a competent independent mental health professionals who have examined your child. Let them interpret for you evidence.

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That is who sent us there.  An established psychiatrist from a major NE University.  He also had independent testing.  Lots and lots of it. Educational and Psychological testing.  They found no evidence of mental illness.  I trusted those professionals.  My kid will be home very soon.  If he comes home worse than I sent him I'll be beating this drum with you.  Right now I have no reason but to rejoice.
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« Reply #636 on: April 05, 2006, 03:31:00 PM »
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It's easy to get drugs at traditional boarding schools.


It's also very easy to get drugs (and make new connections for when you get out) in places where active, untreated drug addicts are warehoused, like Carlbrook.

The place where I used to work, Hidden Lake Academy, has quite the drug culture.  The drugs are readily available from students who sneak them in and staff members who are willing to trade clothes or favors for drugs.

Again, what is going to happen when you bring the same untreated drug user into the same drug-filled environment?  It just doesn't add up.
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« Reply #637 on: April 05, 2006, 03:33:00 PM »
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He also had independent testing. Lots and lots of it. Educational and Psychological testing. They found no evidence of mental illness. I trusted those professionals.


Well, your trust is misplaced.  Any mental health professional that would reccommend a residential placement for a kid with no psychiatric issues should have his license revoked.

That is patently INSANE.
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« Reply #638 on: April 05, 2006, 03:42:00 PM »
Is is a possibility that Carlbrook might be a different kind of school?  There are varying degrees of residential placement.  I know kids that went to HLA and I would never send my son there.  I am of the opinion that Carlbrook is better.  By the way, why aren't you out there counseling parents to do the right thing?  I listened to lots of differing opinions but none as biased as yours.  All kids aren't alike and all schools aren't alike.  I'll be sure to let the psychiatrist that likes and respects Carlbrook know that you think he's insane.  He'll get a laugh out of that.
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« Reply #639 on: April 05, 2006, 03:51:00 PM »
I have to tell you, if you're telling the truth, your psychiatrist should be out of business with a revoked license.

ANY practitioner who would recommend residential placement in the absence of psychopathology should be immediately shut down.

I must say that your opinion of proper mental health care carries little weight.  You seem not to understand how it works or even what it is.  I don't hold that against you - how are you to know without an education?  But your psychiatrist should know better and is a quack, period.

And, no, Carlbrook is not a different kind of "school."  It is an unlicensed residential treatment center with an unaccredited academic program.  It is also run by a man who was at CEDU, a confirmedly abusive, since shut down facility that was closed due to child abuse.  It's just more of the same.  Same people, same model, new location.

If you actually did any of the research you claimed to have done, you would know all of this already.  If you knew all of this already and still sent your kid, well, that says a lot about you.

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« Reply #640 on: April 05, 2006, 03:59:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-05 11:14:00, Deborah wrote:

"You physically visited 20 schools all over the country? That's alot of financial expense. Which others did you consider?"


Sorry, just saw this.  My ex and I split it up.  I looked at:

Montana Academy
Oakley
Academy at Swift River
HLA
Three Springs
John Dewey
Christ School in NC
St. Andrews in TN
Camden Military Academy in SC
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Carlbrook

My ex looked at more religious schools that I was against.  He also looked at schools that were more like boot camps.  He also looked into some overseas programs that I was against as well.
If I didn't do the traveling, the decision would have been totally out of my control.  In the end we all chose Carlbrook and fortunately Carlbrook took him.
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« Reply #641 on: April 05, 2006, 04:31:00 PM »
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Well, your trust is misplaced.  Any mental health professional that would reccommend a residential placement for a kid with no psychiatric issues should have his license revoked.



That is patently INSANE.
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It's obvious that I can't "win" this argument because after reading through all of the threads, I'm damned if I do and I'm damned if I don't in your eyes.  Carlbrook is NOT a place for mentally ill kids.  I don't think they even take bipolar kids.  That is why we chose it.  It's a middle ground school.  You can't simply lump all of these schools together.  Just because some of the founders were at the CEDU schools previously does not mean they do it all the same way.  You worked at HLA.  If you were to start a school- and do it right-knowing what was bad about HLA, wouldn't it make sense that you would improve on things?  But, maybe I'm wrong- Just the idea that you took a job at HLA makes me suspect of you.  That place gave me the ever-living creeps!  Why did you work there?  And, what in the hell are you doing now?
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« Reply #642 on: April 05, 2006, 04:36:00 PM »
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ANY practitioner who would recommend residential placement in the absence of psychopathology should be immediately shut down.



Wait, are you actually saying that kids with pychopathology should be at one of these schools??  You are contradicting yourself.
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« Reply #643 on: April 05, 2006, 04:47:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-05 12:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:



Grant Price runs Carlbrook and he's never been affiliated with a CEDU school.  I guess you are referring to Tim Brace.  He does not run the school and he's been terrific with my kid.  It's amazing how much you know and don't know.
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« Reply #644 on: April 05, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
Before anybody attacks me, I know, I don't know how to post very well.  I'll stop with the quoting until I figure it out.
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