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« Reply #645 on: April 05, 2006, 04:51:00 PM »
Before anybody attacks me, I know, I don't know how to post very well.  I'll stop with the quoting until I figure it out.
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« Reply #646 on: April 05, 2006, 04:52:00 PM »
Shit.  It only get worse  :lol:
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« Reply #647 on: April 05, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
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Just the idea that you took a job at HLA makes me suspect of you. That place gave me the ever-living creeps! Why did you work there? And, what in the hell are you doing now?


I was one of the first five people hired there.  It was supposed to be a therapeutic boarding school - at the time a novel idea.

As soon as I saw what was going on there, I made my concerns known to the owner.  He did nothing.  Furthermore, he told me he would do nothing in the future.  Our "counseling director" was a phony doctor (had a fake degree) and the owner knew it and kept him on staff.

I quit.  Now I tell everyone who will listen what a scam these places are.

I'm currently an executive at a large technology company.  I hold an MSW and an MBA and will soon have a PhD in economics.
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« Reply #648 on: April 05, 2006, 05:24:00 PM »
Previous post is mine...  Forgot to log in.
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« Reply #649 on: April 05, 2006, 05:30:00 PM »
Do you post anonomously too?  Interesting that you are posting all over Fornits and you log in and out.  Sounds fishy to me.  Are you talking to yourself?

I have the day off today.  How do you have time to do all of the things you say you do and rant and rave all over these threads on a daily basis?

I also have an MSW (from the 70's) and a more recent MBA.

Blogging can be addictive.  Be careful.
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« Reply #650 on: April 05, 2006, 05:32:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-05 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-05 12:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:






Grant Price runs Carlbrook and he's never been affiliated with a CEDU school.  I guess you are referring to Tim Brace.  He does not run the school and he's been terrific with my kid.  It's amazing how much you know and don't know.  



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From Carlbrook's website:

"Tim Brace, B.A., M.C.
Dean of Students
Mr. Brace has truly inspired a generation of students through his vision, innovation and educational leadership. During his distinguished career over the past 25 years, he has served as Headmaster or Executive Director at several secondary boarding schools, including Mt. Bachelor Academy in Oregon and the Academy at Swift River in Massachusetts. With a wealth of knowledge and experience in working with young people and their families that is virtually unmatched, Mr. Brace holds a Bachelor of Arts from the United States Naval Academy and a Master of Counseling from Arizona State University."

It sure sounds like a powerful position there.  Are you saying he's more like the mailroom clerk or something?

Notice how his credentials/work history don't show that he worked at CEDU.  Gets ya to wondering, doesn't it?

As far as Grant Price goes, all I have to know about him is that he hires proven child abusers, puts them in charge of children and covers up their past abusive history, even going so far as to omit over a decade of someone's career experience to hide their sordid past.  

This guy is suspect from that perspective before we even get into the facts that he runs an unlicensed treatment center and offers unaccredited schooling.  Those three facts are enough to cast serious doubt on this guy's character.
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« Reply #651 on: April 05, 2006, 05:33:00 PM »
The fact that you worked at HLA puts your doubt into character.
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« Reply #652 on: April 05, 2006, 05:33:00 PM »
Your character into doubt.  :lol:
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« Reply #653 on: April 05, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
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ANY practitioner who would recommend residential placement in the absence of psychopathology should be immediately shut down.






Wait, are you actually saying that kids with pychopathology should be at one of these schools??  You are contradicting yourself. "


OK, I see you have just about no understanding of logic or the English language either.  I'm willing to accept that you don't have an education in this area either and will offer you an expedient primer on the subjects at hand.

Let me reiterate:

ANY practitioner who would recommend residential placement in the absence of psychopathology should be immediately shut down.

One, this statement can be verified as true by any licensed professional.  It is basic, common knowledge in the treatment business.  Residential placement is warranted only when there is severe pathology present and the patient is dangerous to self or others (less than one percent of all diagnosed patients).

Two, this statement makes absolutely no reference to any TBS, nor does it endorse patronage of one in any way, shape or form.  

In my opinion, no child should ever be sent to any one of these "schools" under any circumstances for the following reasons:

One, people who have tested negative for any type of psychopathology should not be in any treatment other than voluntary outpatient visits with a therapist should they (the client) see fit or feel it is necessary or helpful and any reputable treatment center would deny admission and state that treatment there would be unnecessary.

Two, treatment must be voluntary.  There is no such thing as "forced treatment."

Three, there is not one single, solitary shred of clinical evidence that shows these programs work at all for anyone or anything.

Four, there are extensive clinical research studies that show these programs to be harmful, especially to the developing mind.

Five, nearly all of these private treatment centers are unlicensed and employ staff that have no credentials or licenses to practice.

Six, there is absolutely no regulation whatsoever of their well-documented abusive and harmful treatment of children.

Seven, if a child has mental illness of sufficient gravity to require inpatient treatment, these facilities are woefully inadequate to cope with them.

Eight, they employ LGAT seminars which have been proven beyond doubt to cause mental stress and harm to their participants.

Nine, behavior modification as practiced by these treatment centers does not work and is based almost entirely on punishment.

Ten, inadequate attention is given to family dynamics and no Functional Family Therapy is provided.

Eleven, outpatient treatment, in combination with FFT,  in the child's community is shown to be the single most effective method to treat all types of adolescent issues (as long as they don't require inpatient treatment - again less than one percent of mentally ill people).

I could go on if you like, but let's suffice it to say that I am educated professional in this arena and my opinions are anchored solidly in fact and represent the mainstream thinking in my discipline.

So, feel free to engage strawman and ad hominem fallacies along with some hyperbole, but it will not change the unmistakeable fact that what you say doesn't accurately (or even remotely) approximate my position or thinking on this matter.
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« Reply #654 on: April 05, 2006, 06:06:00 PM »
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"The fact that you worked at HLA puts your doubt into character."


I think I explained this adquately before.  I was sold a bill of goods about the facility and as soon as I saw how it was run I left and reported what I knew to the authorities.

I'm curious now too why you are fine with Tim Brace?  This man reportedly personally abused scores children in his care for decades - their stories are published in books and lawsuit transcripts.  This is well documented.  

I guess because you agree with Carlbrook's program, all sins are forgiven.  That casts serious doubt on your character, madam.

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« Reply #655 on: April 05, 2006, 06:09:00 PM »
OK, I've finally had enough.  Maybe, just maybe, the treatment worked for my son because he went VOLUNTARILY.  I've said that over and over.  I could have stopped the placement but he CHOSE it over the other programs I listed earlier.  Some of the kids HATE it there and are doing poorly, just like a segment of any school population. Some people are just miserable all the time and continue to blame anything and anybody for their unhappiness.  I'm not going to borrow trouble.  He's fine, looking forward to graduation and happy to have been accepted to a great school with an even greater scholarship that will offset our tuition at Carlbrook.  Sorry, I can't say anything bad about the place...except...the food used to suck but it's better now.
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« Reply #656 on: April 05, 2006, 06:16:00 PM »
I haven't found any abuse allegations concerning Tim Brace anywhere except for on this site.  I think people get put in jail for those kinds of crimes.  I doubt he could have hidden from the legal system this long especially since most program parents have enough money to bury him if any of the allegations are indeed true.  You may be getting slanderous here.  You're a total jackass if you don't think I didn't have EVERY person on the Board of Regents investigated before I sent my son there. Has Tim ever been convicted, served time?
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« Reply #657 on: April 05, 2006, 06:19:00 PM »
You say this:

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Maybe, just maybe, the treatment worked for my son because he went VOLUNTARILY.

Then you say this:

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My ex looked at more religious schools that I was against. He also looked at schools that were more like boot camps. He also looked into some overseas programs that I was against as well.
If I didn't do the traveling, the decision would have been totally out of my control. In the end we all chose Carlbrook and fortunately Carlbrook took him.


How can you say he went "voluntarily" when his other choices would have been boot camp or a religious treatment center?  That's called "coerced," not "voluntary."

And the fact remains that you and your husband were going to send your kid away to a residential treatment center regardless of the fact that you say he was extensively tested and had no mental issues whatsover.  That's sick - and sickening.

At this point in your rambling, contradictory, factually bereft statements it has really become more of a referendom on your poor parenting as much as the unscrupulous treatment center business.

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« Reply #658 on: April 05, 2006, 06:26:00 PM »
That's BS.  Read my list.  I was hoping for Christ School or St. Andrews.  These are both traditional boarding schools.  He wanted to go to Carlbrook.  If he didn't want to go there, he would not be there.  

Watch the slander.  You better be dead ass accurate before you make any more allegations.

Amazing, my kid does well there and you attack me.  If and when he screws up again I will gladly let you know and make your day.
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« Reply #659 on: April 05, 2006, 06:33:00 PM »
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He wanted to go to Carlbrook. If he didn't want to go there, he would not be there.

No, he wouldn't.  He'd be in a bootcamp or sent overseas like you said before.

If that was my choice, I'd "choose" Carlbrook, too.



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Watch the slander. You better be dead ass accurate before you make any more allegations.


This is a typical reaction from folks like you.  You have no ability to uphold your end of the argument, you make yourself look really bad and completely uneducated, then you threaten legal action.  You're not the first, and you're not going to be the last.

All I can say is do what you feel you have to do, but threatening me is not going to have the desired effect I'm afraid.  I have dealt with people just like you before (obstreperous blowhard bullies) and you, collectively and individually, don't frighten me in the least.

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