Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

Where can I post that?

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On 2006-04-05 19:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Like I said, NOTHING but crap from Fornits.  I want to see actual court orders or complaints.  You ask for statistics everyday from parents.  I want to see the actual court proceedings against Tim.  "

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... suit+abuse

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On 2006-04-05 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-05 15:06:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:


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I'm curious now too why you are fine with Tim Brace?  This man reportedly personally abused scores children in his care for decades - their stories are published in books and lawsuit transcripts.  This is well documented.  




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Please produce copies of these lawsuit transcripts.  I can't find them anywhere."

Then you didn't look.

Paste this into your browser:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n ... suit+abuse

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On 2006-04-05 15:19:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"You say this:

Maybe, just maybe, the treatment worked for my son because he went VOLUNTARILY.

Then you say this:

My ex looked at more religious schools that I was against. He also looked at schools that were more like boot camps. He also looked into some overseas programs that I was against as well.

If I didn't do the traveling, the decision would have been totally out of my control. In the end we all chose Carlbrook and fortunately Carlbrook took him.

How can you say he went "voluntarily" when his other choices would have been boot camp or a religious treatment center?  That's called "coerced," not "voluntary."



And the fact remains that you and your husband were going to send your kid away to a residential treatment center regardless of the fact that you say he was extensively tested and had no mental issues whatsover.  That's sick - and sickening.



At this point in your rambling, contradictory, factually bereft statements it has really become more of a referendom on your poor parenting as much as the unscrupulous treatment center business.



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"Compassion is the basis of morality."



-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-04-05 15:47 ]"

Amazing.  These parents are such complete failures and losers that they send their kid away even though the kid is completely normal - n mental health problems.

Maybe I can interest this idiot in some unnecessary surgery?

[mandelduke]

There is no good behavior modification school.  If you find one were they don?t torture the children, even if they tried to treat the children well.  The child will feel abandoned, because they are abandoned.  To send a child away is saying, let some one else take my responsibility I don?t have the time, or I just don?t love them enough to deal with there problems.  So please tell me how strangers who don?t even know your child, could possibly give them the love and guidance they deserve?

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There is no good behavior modification school.

True.  Not only is there no such thing as a "good" one, there are actually no BM schools at all.

Let me explain.  A school is a place where children (or others, but in our case, children) are taught academia.  

The places discussed here are not schools at all.  They are Behavior Modification Centers, like Carlbrook.

Carlbrook is not a school.  It's primary focus is not education.  This is easily provable by the irrefutable fact that they are unaccredited.  They are legally barred from issuing diplomas.  What kind of school can't issue a diploma?

So, what we have in the case of Carlbrook, ASR, HLA, AIR etc. are behavior modification programs marketing and passing themselves off as "schools," which they are not.

The entire concept of a "behavior modification school" is a fallacy.

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-04-07 07:22 ]

[Anonymous]

This has been explained to you before, dimwit. Carlbrook can legally issue diplomas and is in the middle of the accreditation process.  The graduates are going to excellent colleges.  The teachers are degreed and are quite good.  The classes are conducted like in any other school.  AP classes are offered.  Language classes are offered.
The therapeutic staff is excellent.
We GET that you don't think it is worth much. Since you have no idea what you are talking about, why don't you give it a rest?

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This has been explained to you before, dimwit. Carlbrook can legally issue diplomas and is in the middle of the accreditation process.

I'm a dimwit?  You will need to read and understand Virginia law.  Carlbrook is legally barred from issuing state (i.e. accredited) diplomas, period.

Sure, they can issue you a diploma with their name on it, they just can't say it's vailid.  Hell, pay me $7500.00 a month and I'll write you all the diplomas you want.  They'll be worthless, but you folks don't care about that, you just pay and pay and pay.

"In the middle of accreditation" is a coy way of saying "unaccredited."  If I were halfway through medical school, would you refer to me as "doctor"?  No, of course not.  

Carlbrook has been "working on accreditation" for years.  The simple fact of the matter is they cannot or will not meet the minimum standards required by the state of Virginia.  Why they don't is immaterial, but the fact remains that they don't.

Maybe you're a Carlbrook "grad" and that's why you don't understand the law or the process.  That unaccredited education is doing well for you.  :lol:

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"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-04-07 07:50 ]

[Anonymous]

Too bad you don't have a Carlbrook diploma.  You might have more to do than display your anger on an internet forum day in and day out.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-04-07 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Too bad you don't have a Carlbrook diploma.  You might have more to do than display your anger on an internet forum day in and day out."

So how long has Carlbrook been "in the process of getting accredited"?

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On 2006-04-07 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Too bad you don't have a Carlbrook diploma.  You might have more to do than display your anger on an internet forum day in and day out."

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Why do you people always project your anger on me?  I'm fine.  I don't have screwed up kids that I have to incarcerate for $7500.00/mo and I haven't been scammed out of my life savings.

I'm not angry, I'm informative!  :lol:

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On 2006-04-07 09:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-07 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Too bad you don't have a Carlbrook diploma.  You might have more to do than display your anger on an internet forum day in and day out."

So how long has Carlbrook been "in the process of getting accredited"?"

http://www.sacscasi.org/region/Proceedi ... te_VA.html

It has only been FOUR YEARS.  Give 'em a break!  I'm sure it's just some kind of paperwork SNAFU...   ::bangin::

[Anonymous]

You have raised this ridiculous issue many times before.  It is something about which you know nothing. The pending accreditation does not detract from the academic quality of the school, the ability to issue a valid diploma which shows that the student has met the Virginia requirements for high school graduation or the ability of a student to gain admission to college. You don't even NEED a high school diploma- you just need to show that you have completed the requirements for graduation.
I don't understand why you are so impressed with yourself for bringing up this irrelevant issue. Do you not yet GET the fact that the Carlbrook kids are getting a good education and are moving on to other excellent high schools and colleges? You may have a beef with how they handle therapy or discipline, but you really are making a fool of yourself by challenging anything about the academics.

[Anonymous]

Why four years "in the process"?

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Sure, they can give out diplomas that say "Carlbrook" on them, they just aren't allowed to say that the diploma is state-issued or that they are accredited.  

This makes the diploma worth as much as any business card, newspaper, or home made sign at the ballpark.

The Academy at Ivy Ridge (WWASPS, NY) was issuing phony diplomas like Carlbrook for years before they tripped up and started telling people they were NYS diplomas.  The AG immediately suied the hell out of them and they were fined $250,000.00 and ordered to repay $1,000,000.00 in tuition to the victims of their fraud.  They were immediately ordered to cease and desist issuing diplomas.

Carlbrook is smart enough not to say that their diplomas are issued by the state.  The Carlbrook diploma is as valid as a mail-order degree - worthless.