Carlbrook

[Deborah]

The most useful thing to come of this thread, was that Karen was convinced to talk to her son about the specifics of his 'treatment'. She also admitted that Carlbrook is not what she had previously believed it to be. Coming from Karen, that's significant.

Parents are impressed with the sales pitch, 'emotional growth'... who wouldn't want that for their child? Safe environment, structure, consequences for negative behaviors... all very appealing to the terrifed parent. They get a parent handbook which outlines the milder forms of punishment, but have absolutely no clue what happens on a day-to-day basis, what the workshops entail, or the values of the young adults who are acting as surrogate parents. They don't really understand the impact of being isolated from the world and having contact with parents severed.

More program parents need to talk to their kids, and then listen when they tell them what actually happened. Take that information and try to find any research based on evidence to support the means. It simply doesnt exist.

Details of the methods have to be exposed. That alone will speak to the discerning potential program parent. For desperate or angry parents, the lack of evidence isn't going to matter. I feel certain some parents are happy to pay $5000 a month to have there child punished for the trouble they caused. Nothing will appeal to those parents.

IF, the Synanon/CEDU method was as effective and desirable as some believe it to be, there would be legitimate research and public programs would be adopting it. Thirty years, and no such research. I would like to read any researchers attempt to justify the degrading and humiliating methods as useful, again, not what's sold to the parent in the literature and manual, but what actually happens in the course of their so-called treatment. The 'real' methods need to be scrutinized. Until they can see how their kid got from point A to Z, they'll continue to believe that their child was treated ethically and it was a result of wholesome 'emotional growth', as will the public.

[Anonymous]

If the "treatment" was helpful and as good as the brochures claim then there would be no need for fornits.

[Deborah]

If the "treatment" was helpful and as good as the brochures claim then there would be no need for fornits.

Exactly. And respectable researchers would be looking at it under the microscope in order to promote it to the public as a viable 'teatment' option, if it was genuniely beneficial.
There has been a number of industry funded research studies, but none look at the 'real' methods and the questionaire particpants are hand picked. Hardly objective.

[Anonymous]

Karen I shudder to think of your whipped ass.  ops:

[try another castle]

IF, the Synanon/CEDU method was as effective and desirable as some believe it to be, there would be legitimate research and public programs would be adopting it. Thirty years, and no such research. I would like to read any researchers attempt to justify the degrading and humiliating methods as useful, again, not what's sold to the parent in the literature and manual, but what actually happens in the course of their so-called treatment. The 'real' methods need to be scrutinized. Until they can see how their kid got from point A to Z, they'll continue to believe that their child was treated ethically and it was a result of wholesome 'emotional growth', as will the public.

Agreed. These places thrive on secrecy. They count on the fact that the survivors can't even begin to describe to their parents what incredibly bizarre shit they have gone through, and that is after they have deprogrammed themselves, which can take years. By that time, a lot of survivors don't want to bother. All the parents know is that the child came out a completely different person than they went in. In addition, the websites are amazing and slick, if you don't know how to read between the lines. When the parents tour the facility, all they see are smiling happy (brainwashed) kids, and the tours are done when raps are not in session, so they don't hear the screams.

[exhausted]

The most useful thing to come of this thread, was that Karen was convinced to talk to her son about the specifics of his 'treatment'. She also admitted that Carlbrook is not what she had previously believed it to be. Coming from Karen, that's significant.

Parents are impressed with the sales pitch, 'emotional growth'... who wouldn't want that for their child? Safe environment, structure, consequences for negative behaviors... all very appealing to the terrifed parent.
 Until they can see how their kid got from point A to Z, they'll continue to believe that their child was treated ethically and it was a result of wholesome 'emotional growth', as will the public.

Right, so running karen off the board was a stupid thing to do (not aimed at you Deborah) the more parents who come here & think about it, research it and actualy realise what could happen, the better, Karen was open and has seen soem things that she probably realy didn't want to see, she has to live with that, at least give her credit for trying to understand what goes on.......

The more parents are encouraged to do what she did (Which was pretty brave of her, she knew she was going to get serious crap) the more parents will come here BEFORE sending their kids off to programs, let the ones who have been there speak up - it's the only way to prevent the next potential disaster

To the person who said 2 months would have been great not 2 years, i can absolutely see where you come from with that.....these programs are abusive because of the amount of time they have the kids with them, in 2 minths a kid can do alot of maturing, miss home, think again, but in 2 months their personalities cannot be stripped away.

[AtomicAnt]

In addition, the websites are amazing and slick, if you don't know how to read between the lines.

This is the part that confounds and disturbs me. It was the industry's websites that drove me to Fornit's in the first place. I guess I am someone who can read between the lines.

They all say the same thing and use the same jargon. When really thinking about what that jargon means for a few minutes, one can see that these places are really respressive environments that use forceful tactics. That alone was enough to put me off.

[try another castle]

but in 2 months their personalities cannot be stripped away.

No, but irreversible damage can be done. Daniel Yuen was only at CEDU a few months (please someone correct me if I am off on this.) Then he ran away. His parents still haven't found him. He had never run away before CEDU. It's now almost three years since his disappearance. There have been sightings, but nobody has been able to positively locate him yet. His parents are crushed. They regret ever sending him there.

It only took CEDU a few months to ruin this family. I hope they are reunited at some point.

[exhausted]

I was talking about having the time to use program abuse tactics ... this is a sad tale indeed, like you I hope the family can get back together, I still think 6 - 8 weeks isn't enough time to brainwash someone, punish them into submission so they don't know who they are anymore, literally beat them into submission

If Programs were given a limited amount of time they could work with a child, with a set time in between going back, then i can almost guarantee they'd fold, it would not be financially viable for them to stay open knowing they can only work with a kid for 2 months, and that kid is only going to change what can possibly be changed, like thinking on what they've done, missing their family, maturing, having some time out etc

[Anonymous]

Karen I shudder to think of your whipped ass.  ops:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Karen in Dallas you vile witch! Clean that disgusting fucking hole of yours; we can smell it from here! Get your 'pool boy' to come swab the deck!  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::both::

I just pissed my pants, that was awesome! I love whoever wrote this!  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Karen in Dallas you vile witch! Clean that disgusting fucking hole of yours; we can smell it from here! Get your 'pool boy' to come swab the deck!  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::both::

I just pissed my pants, that was awesome! I love whoever wrote this!  :rofl:

Thats hot :exclaim:  

[Anonymous]

Karens getting what she wants, attention.

[Anonymous]

The more parents are encouraged to do what she did (Which was pretty brave of her, she knew she was going to get serious crap) the more parents will come here BEFORE sending their kids off to programs, let the ones who have been there speak up - it's the only way to prevent the next potential disaster

You are right!!!!!!!!! Karen deserves an award, at least.

[Anonymous]

Karens getting what she wants, attention.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :tup:  :tup:  ::bwahaha2::  ::bwahaha::  :nworthy:  :tup:  :tup: