Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

I haven't read any claims that Carlbrook is abusive in any way.

Our son was not sent away as a punishment. The consequences to him were that he lost a year of freedom, a year of athletics, a year of top schooling.  I can't imagine a kid like my son liking any program of this type.  No, there was no better alternative, except perhaps Oakley.

He was helped by the staff and by his peers in some ways, and by himself in others. His issues were anger and entitlement. There was some substance abuse but that was not the core issue. He was enmeshed in a really unhealthy relationship with a girl (by his eventual admission). He had been kicked out of school and had no good educational alternative.

A lot of the kids at Carlbrook really like the program.  Many of them think the restrictiveness is close to what regular boarding schools are like.  My son knew better and resented the lack of cell phones, internet, dating etc.

If there was an alternative to the steps we took, I would have found it.  There wasn't.  

Look at the post before this they use the word abusive that post was a page before yours Karen.

[Anonymous]

You know what the methods used are, and you don't agree with them!  Why should anyone engage in the same useless dialogue with you.

What works is the peer support, the counseling and mentoring by an excellent (with a few exceptions) staff, the workshops and the emphasis on self-respect and honesty.  What also works are clear consequences for violation of rules.  It is a simple system, but it works.

Right to the point. Unless you changed your mind since you posted this you think that the methods used are sound and good. There is no compromise with that position, either you agree with the methods or not.

[psy]

Don't do stuff like that or Karen won't come back!!!!   ::bangin::

We need her to listen!!

She isn't coming back.  She told me she'd had enough.  I'm talking to her on IM an email though.  She is not as positive about Carlbrook as many people would think (especially after talking to her kid about it).

[Nihilanthic]

LETS SING THE SONG THAT DOES-ENT EEEEEEEND!

 :rofl:  :rofl:

[teachback]

Gookie, I think these nimrods come here thinking that they had better damn well put in the word for their side so hopefully people aren't "scared away" by us "disgruntled ex-program druggies" or whatever. They're program pushers, and what we say about their product isn't too flattering.

If it isn't that, then the assholes just like to argue because they have no fucking life? I don't know, go figure...

[teachback]

Now if she comes around she is more than welcome back. Won't tolerate her bullshit if she is gonna be promoting her little SN and Carlbrook pits as the alternative. If she wants to pull that again there are always more aggresive measures that can be taken against her. Yes I am threatening her with something more than just text based aggression. Yes I will hunt her down, shit in a paper bag, set it on fire, leave it on her stoop, and ring the bell and run.

Nothing like a flaming bag of shit for a woman who talks nothing but total shit.

Classic!  :rofl:

[teachback]

Like I give a shit why they come here. The occasions zonked out programmie is ok with me. Gives us all something to laugh about. Now old Karen was another story. We all know she ain't left. Not by a long shot. Still lurking around as a guest keeping her eyes open.

Know your enemy!  ::armed::

I haven't been following the drama too closely, but thought Karen sounds like the typical program parent with her head still up her arse. :rofl:

Yes, zonked-out "programmies" can be quite entertaining at times..   ::bwahaha::

[teachback]

I am proud of the fact that I owned her so completely. She had no place to run, no place to hide, and no choice but to accept the truth. So she did what she normally does, bails out when things get tought. Just like she bailed out on her kid and shipped him off to cumquatbrook.

I find people like this particularly frustrating to deal with; these sorts bring to mind good ol' Uncle Remus's Tar Baby..  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

I am talking privately with Karen and I don't think she is going to be too happy about this. Now be good and show Karen your oh face.

[Anonymous]

That's more like the Karen we know.

[Anonymous]

apologizing for your behavior and saying how disgusted they were with your attitude and behavior. Even saying that you were clearly drunk when you posted.

Who are these squares?  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

I stopped posting on the thread because your posts were hurtful and degrading. I really have no need to subject myself to that.

Well hey Karen at least you can walk out. You gotta realize the irony of posting something like that, HERE, don't you?  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Yeah I know.. Didn't realize we had so many programmie apologist on the forums.

Karen came back with a new strategy of divide and conquer and it seems to be working with some. The truce was a farce. The ST invasion continues.

[Charly]

"Now if she comes around she is more than welcome back."

That sounds like what you would call "program speak".

My son was at 2N twice- total of 16 WEEKS (not months). His total program stint was less than 12 months.

A truce can only occur if both sides do their part.  I have done mine.  I would be glad to continue to answer PMs and talk via email and AIM. I don't need to participate in the "let's see how abusive TSW can be since he can't do it to program kids anymore" thread.

I noticed Lacey on the HLA thread advocating a wilderness program, as did Robert Bruce.  Why don't you mosey on over there and tear them apart?

The 12 PMs weren't from program apologists, they were from TSW apologists.  My PM to TSW was responding to this one from him.

"I won't speak for the others but if you are sincere and genuine about starting over then I will give you a chance."

I didn't realize "sincere and genuine" meant "you have to agree with everything I say and kiss my ass the way everyone else purports to do except in PMs among themselves."

[Nihilanthic]

Karen, the Truce is whether or not we attack you out of frustration for whatever reason or not. Not whether or not we bring up what is wrong with 2N, Carlbrook, and the industry at large!

Nor is there some kind of middle ground between the truth and lies.

What is wrong, is wrong!

Isolation is wrong.

Abuse is wrong.

Lack of ACTUAL therapy and treatment to those who need it, is wrong.

Forcing "therapy" is wrong.

Using synanon/LGAT bullshit is wrong!  

There is no middle ground to be had there! There is no tolerable threshold of abuse, isolation, quackery, or prevention of getting actual therapy. Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ground Lookie there! You should also check out all the other argumentative fallacies the entire industry has used on you, some of which you repeat - knowingly or not.

Then again, you're an attorney, its your job to try to slip them by people, isn't it?

At any rate, what was brought up by TSW... uh, is the truth, regardless of how mean he was or was not in doing so. You are also not going to smooth out any ruffled hackles on fornits by trying to say "hes mean and humiliating!" when that was exactly what 2N And Carlbrook attempted to do to your son and the crux of how all of these BM businesses, wilderness, institutional or whatnot, operate!

To conclude before I go on too long, I'll just get back to the "truce" thing. If you want us to not personally attack each other, fine. If you want to find a middle ground, don't hold your breath.