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« Reply #105 on: September 05, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
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Get a log in and I might value your input, or hell, post about the topic and I might value your input.
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« Reply #106 on: September 05, 2005, 09:09:00 PM »
Sonny boy your evaluation of my opinion is the very last reason I would ever choose to get a log-in

Your spelling's improved though, so maybe you were just holding back or you really did learn to use spell check
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« Reply #107 on: September 10, 2005, 10:30:00 AM »
We have not heard anything from Notafriendofredcliff since August 26. Did the mother pull the boy out to attend school like she said she would? It would be nice to see some closure to this.
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« Reply #108 on: September 10, 2005, 10:46:00 AM »
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"Sonny boy your evaluation of my opinion is the very last reason I would ever choose to get a log-in



Your spelling's improved though, so maybe you were just holding back or you really did learn to use spell check"

Hey!  It's Karen!  I'd recognize that 'ol "Sonny boy" anywhere.  She's an insulting little bitch, huh?
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« Reply #109 on: September 16, 2005, 09:14:00 AM »
No the staff don't twist your arms to make you hike, if you refuse to hike then you are known as whats called a sitter, you will eventually be sent to a group called Bullfrogs where 'bad' kids go. The only punishment about this 'Bullfrogs' group is that you cannot speak to other students in the group. RCA is lovely, im not endorsing it or anything, i went there and enjoyed it very much and got alot out of it.
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« Reply #110 on: September 16, 2005, 09:44:00 AM »
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The only punishment about this 'Bullfrogs' group is that you cannot speak to other students in the group.

And what happens if you do?
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« Reply #111 on: September 16, 2005, 01:31:00 PM »
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Hey!  It's Karen!  I'd recognize that 'ol "Sonny boy" anywhere.  She's an insulting little bitch, huh?"


No, you guessed wrong. This is a silly game, but it does illustrate one valuable point. This happens over and over again. If you go looking for it in old threads, you'll see what I mean.

There really are at least several people who you assume to all be Karen (unless, of course, Karen is net savvy enough to mask his/her IP through a small set of proxies) But I think it's more likely that these are different people who, very likely, used to have different personalities, lexicons and logical habits. Now they don't.

You're mistaking the shared group identity for a personal identity, just like the adherants do.



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« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2005, 02:05:00 PM »
It's actually more of a running gag.  Everyone knows there are several people posting anonymously, one of whom is Karen.  At some point, it was decided that all trolls would be referred to as "Karen," both to reflect the consistencies of their viewpoints and to cause the "Karens" to constantly deny the postings. "It wasn't me, it was another anon..." etc.  That's all.  

Nobody takes it seriously, nor does anyone believe it's one person, but it's amusing to watch them get all riled up.  It's reflective of the "programs" in that they (the Karens, like the the program kids) all get treated the same way and get "consequences" as a group, whether the consequences apply to the particular individual or not.  It's just funny to watch them react exactly as the kids react under the same treatment.  It shows the programs create the problem, they don't treat it.

Anyway, that's my take on it.
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« Reply #113 on: September 16, 2005, 02:18:00 PM »
"This is a silly game, but it does illustrate one valuable point. This happens over and over again", according to Anti-ginger who is talking about the KarenIn Dallas foolishness

I can't see one valuable thing about adult or almost adult people behaving like simpletons by pretending that they think several people are just one, over and over and over again. Makes me squeamish about even communicating with these mental midgets

It is in fact damned annoying.  Makes me check the whole thread much less frequently than I used to.
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« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2005, 02:45:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-16 11:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

""This is a silly game, but it does illustrate one valuable point. This happens over and over again", according to Anti-ginger who is talking about the KarenIn Dallas foolishness



I can't see one valuable thing about adult or almost adult people behaving like simpletons by pretending that they think several people are just one, over and over and over again. Makes me squeamish about even communicating with these mental midgets



It is in fact damned annoying.  Makes me check the whole thread much less frequently than I used to."

Exactly what was the value in your reading a thread about KarenInDallas in the first place.  If you're looking for valuable information, surely you didn't expect to find it there, did you?  

How much time do you spend looking for valuable information on the "Help! How to Give the Perfect Blowjob" thread?  Aren't you a bit  of a "simpleton" or a "mental midget" for doing serious research or debating on a thread called "KarenInDallas"?
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« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2005, 02:49:00 PM »
***Makes me check the whole thread much less frequently than I used to.

Precisely their goal. Decrease readership.
The virus has migrated from KarenInDallas to this thread and will consume it as well, if the regulars don't ignore them.
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« Reply #116 on: September 25, 2005, 02:06:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-16 06:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No the staff don't twist your arms to make you hike, if you refuse to hike then you are known as whats called a sitter, you will eventually be sent to a group called Bullfrogs where 'bad' kids go. The only punishment about this 'Bullfrogs' group is that you cannot speak to other students in the group. RCA is lovely, im not endorsing it or anything, i went there and enjoyed it very much and got alot out of it."


I find that difficult to buy. If you put all the 'bad kids' together and the only punishment is to order them to silence, what would get them to hike? Also, putting all the 'bad kids' together sounds like a bad idea. The idea of putting poorly behaved kids in the same group is one of the primary reasons psychologists site when concluding tough love programs and detention centers don't work. It's the same reason prisons create criminals. You could also end up with a group rebellion.

I have often heard defenders of these programs say that the abuse allegatons are anectodal, but when you see it on tape with Mike Wallace doing the investigating, it becomes quite convincing. Two kids on the tape claim kids are subjected to arm twisting and physcial pain to force them into hiking. Are you saying they are both telling identical lies?

Perhaps you never refused to hike and so did not experience or see these consequences. Were you assigned to Bullfrogs? How would you know what goes on there?
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« Reply #117 on: September 26, 2005, 04:35:00 AM »
When the kid tells 'Dr Dan' what the staff did to him he doesn't react with surprise, shock, or incredulity.  He just says, "What I want to know is why do you think you need to be hurt."  :eek:
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« Reply #118 on: October 04, 2005, 06:07:00 PM »
I appreciated the 60 minute clip that was posted.  I viewed the clip prior to sending my son to Red Cliff and it really helped me to not be shocked when he had to be restrained within 20 minutes of being there because he didn't want to do the strip search...

What do you think we parents send our kids there for anyway!  He was an aggressive drug user who defied authority, who had no regard for people or property.  He thought the world owed him a living.  Sitting on his butt at home - kicked out of school - dealing drugs out of my garage.

We had given him every therapy possible.  Went to parenting class ourselves and lived through years of terror and torment.

So what if he is a little uncomfortable.  Actually his letters indicate that he likes it there and is learning a lot of great things.

Not having the comforts of home and the distractions help them to turn inward and really look at their crap.

FYI -- I am not a wealthy person and the cost of a 90 day program is now upwards of 30K -- I don't think parents do this without a great deal of sacrifice and really as a last resort.

What do kids expect will happen to them if they defy their parents?

Nothing -- that is the problem
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« Reply #119 on: October 04, 2005, 06:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-10-04 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I appreciated the 60 minute clip that was posted.  I viewed the clip prior to sending my son to Red Cliff and it really helped me to not be shocked when he had to be restrained within 20 minutes of being there because he didn't want to do the strip search...



What do you think we parents send our kids there for anyway!  He was an aggressive drug user who defied authority, who had no regard for people or property.  He thought the world owed him a living.  Sitting on his butt at home - kicked out of school - dealing drugs out of my garage.



We had given him every therapy possible.  Went to parenting class ourselves and lived through years of terror and torment.



So what if he is a little uncomfortable.  Actually his letters indicate that he likes it there and is learning a lot of great things.



Not having the comforts of home and the distractions help them to turn inward and really look at their crap.



FYI -- I am not a wealthy person and the cost of a 90 day program is now upwards of 30K -- I don't think parents do this without a great deal of sacrifice and really as a last resort.



What do kids expect will happen to them if they defy their parents?



Nothing -- that is the problem



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Since when does Wilderness Therapy cure drug addiction?

Sheesh, for that kind of money, you could have sent your son to a REAL drug rehab facility and still had money left over.

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