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« Reply #120 on: April 17, 2007, 10:09:04 AM »
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« Reply #121 on: April 17, 2007, 11:44:33 AM »
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My mother is being very nice normal this week? I love her, but a bad week jesus, it is strange how such things are, everything I said earlier is true, but so is a lot of other aspects.  life is not black and white? She almost seems ok but she is certainly rather heavy handed in many things and not much help or support as far as real life advice goes!  I love her, but it is best to move out ASAP and not get lured in by normalcy. It's always like this, she has a bad temper?  the things she does are just not ok though?  They are too much, then next week it's all roses.  It really is like I said, and then it's just all peachy?  so strange?  I am glad though, better roses than not.  I really am done talking for a while, I have taken up enough space, hope all are ok and well and PV gets in trouble.


I'm glad things have been better.  You point out one of the major failings of programs like PV, they don't include the whole family in a treatment plan.  I'm sure many kids are glad to enter a program to escape hassles at home.  How many kids are sent for "treatment" when it's actually the parent(s) with the serious issues?  

Community based or Wraparound treatment is the best.  It takes the family dynamic into consideration and works with all members to find solutions for immediate problems and teaches skills to avoid falling back into the same habits.  PV will keep a child completely isolated from immediate family for an indefinite period. If the parents are divorced, PV might allow only one parent (the one footing the bill) to participate and dictate treatment based on that parent's own twisted agenda, with "family therapy" becoming a platform for the parent to malign the other parent.  I know it happens, first-hand.  Wraparound doesn't remove a child from the home or their normal routine, sparing them the trauma of being snatched away by a thug escort service, or a parent with a police escort.  

Unlike RTC's, Wraparound has been extensively evaluated through outcome studies and it's been found to be very effective.  RTC's like PV don't have independent outcome studies to back up their "successes".  In the 20+ years RTC's and WTF's have been operating under the radar, not one real independent study has been done.  Keith Russell's wilderness outcomes are a joke, he's so tightly wrapped-up in the industry he couldn't possibly be objective.  A negative outcome study would affect him financially, and everyone knows programees love money above all.

Mending Young Lives and Restoring Families Since 1986...that's PV's hook phrase.  What a joke.
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« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2007, 08:51:20 PM »
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I'm glad things have been better.  You point out one of the major failings of programs like PV, they don't include the whole family in a treatment plan.  I'm sure many kids are glad to enter a program to escape hassles at home.  How many kids are sent for "treatment" when it's actually the parent(s) with the serious issues?  

  PV will keep a child completely isolated from immediate family for an indefinite period. If the parents are divorced, PV might allow only one parent (the one footing the bill) to participate and dictate treatment based on that parent's own twisted agenda, with "family therapy" becoming a platform for the parent to malign the other parent.  

Mending Young Lives and Restoring Families Since 1986...that's PV's hook phrase.  What a joke.


Well put Mr. Agent. I have heard this story over and over about PV for many years and from a variety of sources.
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« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2007, 05:23:46 PM »
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I'm glad things have been better.  You point out one of the major failings of programs like PV, they don't include the whole family in a treatment plan.  I'm sure many kids are glad to enter a program to escape hassles at home.  How many kids are sent for "treatment" when it's actually the parent(s) with the serious issues?  

  PV will keep a child completely isolated from immediate family for an indefinite period. If the parents are divorced, PV might allow only one parent (the one footing the bill) to participate and dictate treatment based on that parent's own twisted agenda, with "family therapy" becoming a platform for the parent to malign the other parent.  

Mending Young Lives and Restoring Families Since 1986...that's PV's hook phrase.  What a joke.

Well put Mr. Agent. I have heard this story over and over about PV for many years and from a variety of sources.


I agree...well put.
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« Reply #124 on: April 19, 2007, 03:29:18 PM »
I told my father I needed to move out because I did not think living here was healthy for me and that I needed to gain more independence.  I told him that I needed four or three hundred and fifty dollars a month and that this really needed to be done for my well being and that it would work out fine, I have a steady good job, and have been doing well in college and I don't even drink.  He said no and yelled at me.  My mom also threw a big fit today because I used up all the small trash bags under the upstairs sink, there are more in the closet about five feet away, but they have to be in both places?  No one else, my father, seems to think this is odd, .  although it sure sounds odd in the retelling.  She of course got very ugly, and I said mom that is nuts, she hit me and scratched my hand?  She called me a bitch repeatedly and said that she would call the neighbors and tell them all I was Bi-polar so they would know what was wrong if they heard yelling?  Apparently a window was cracked when I said, "mom you are acting crazy and this is abusive?"  I swear I was just doing my homework, I had a test yesterday, a paper due next weeek and I have to work till midnight tonight?  I want to just finish college, if I move out I will not be able to take a full course load, but it is very abusive here?  She hit me. Do I call the police, it is so abusive, I want to but I can't, they hold all the cards and then where can I go, can I do something legally so they still have to pay for college and help me out some.  I can't stay here it is so extreme.  I am an adult so I don't think I have any legal rights that I know of.  I am very worried, this is not a joke or drama, I don't talk to anyone about this stuff, it isolates you really. It is my life and my parents are horrible and very abusive.  I was trying to tell my father about what these sexually harassing college kids were saying and about how they were talking about carring a gun or something, it was in relation to the school shootings, I was simply saying how hard it must be for teachers and everyone to figure out a line to draw as to what is dangerous and what is just talking, and I used as an example a conversation two boys were having about a varity of brutal sexual things and carrying weapons, I had overheard at college.  Certainly the school shoooter was an extreme case, as soon as he was stalking a couple of girls he should have been out, but even so.  My father got mad and responded with "well what were you doing there?"  Huh?  they have been saying that to me forever, it is their stock response to "mom the older boys in school say horrible things"  I got to class early dad, and the professor wasn't there yet.  It's not all the little *(&^* was asking for it by being there.  I liked how it put me in the wrong, even though I was only talking about how one sees a lot of odd things and it is hard to figure out which ones are a real threat and which are just uglyness.  But anyway I don't know what the hell to do?  I'm just going to keep going but I'm really scared,
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« Reply #125 on: April 19, 2007, 03:36:22 PM »
I moved back home when I was assaulted at my apartment building, too. It was a pretty basic assault too. my parents of course are horrible about it too, I was alone with him and such, which is one of the reasons he didn't get caught.  They were really harsh about it, although I didn't do anything bad really, it's not my fault the normal looking guy was really a rapist.  I got away from him, I ran away from him, so it's just an assault although it scared the hell out of me.  they are really horrible about it though.  It's all my fault and it cost them money and it was a failure on my part and such.  I feel trapped, at least if they don't do something horrible to me in a year I will be free?  It would be ok if my mother left me alone some but she harrasses me all day. again I went downstairs yesterday to get coffee and it was five nothing things, clean up those crumbs as I was literally reaching for a sponge
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« Reply #126 on: April 19, 2007, 08:39:33 PM »
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I told my father I needed to move out because I did not think living here was healthy for me and that I needed to gain more independence.  I told him that I needed four or three hundred and fifty dollars a month and that this really needed to be done for my well being and that it would work out fine, I have a steady good job, and have been doing well in college and I don't even drink.  He said no and yelled at me.  My mom also threw a big fit today because I used up all the small trash bags under the upstairs sink, there are more in the closet about five feet away, but they have to be in both places?  No one else, my father, seems to think this is odd, .  although it sure sounds odd in the retelling.  She of course got very ugly, and I said mom that is nuts, she hit me and scratched my hand?  She called me a bitch repeatedly and said that she would call the neighbors and tell them all I was Bi-polar so they would know what was wrong if they heard yelling?  Apparently a window was cracked when I said, "mom you are acting crazy and this is abusive?"  I swear I was just doing my homework, I had a test yesterday, a paper due next weeek and I have to work till midnight tonight?  I want to just finish college, if I move out I will not be able to take a full course load, but it is very abusive here?  She hit me. Do I call the police

Oh I would.. I sooooo would.  Fuck em if they treat you like that.  Tape record em.  Keep the tapes, then one day make a bunch of copies and drop em on the doorsteps of all the neighbors on the block.  If your mom is gonna slander you, you might as well clear the issue up with proof.  And the next time that bitch hits you, call the cops and play the tape back...

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it is so abusive, I want to but I can't, they hold all the cards and then where can I go, can I do something legally so they still have to pay for college and help me out some.

Yeah.  Sue them pennyless.  They deserve nothing less.. Probably a lot more from what you have described.

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I can't stay here it is so extreme.  I am an adult so I don't think I have any legal rights that I know of.  I am very worried, this is not a joke or drama, I don't talk to anyone about this stuff, it isolates you really. It is my life and my parents are horrible and very abusive.  I was trying to tell my father about what these sexually harassing college kids were saying and about how they were talking about carring a gun or something, it was in relation to the school shootings, I was simply saying how hard it must be for teachers and everyone to figure out a line to draw as to what is dangerous and what is just talking, and I used as an example a conversation two boys were having about a varity of brutal sexual things and carrying weapons, I had overheard at college.  Certainly the school shoooter was an extreme case, as soon as he was stalking a couple of girls he should have been out, but even so.  My father got mad and responded with "well what were you doing there?"  Huh?  they have been saying that to me forever, it is their stock response to "mom the older boys in school say horrible things"  I got to class early dad, and the professor wasn't there yet.  It's not all the little *(&^* was asking for it by being there.

Ever listen to Tori Amos?  You'd like her.  download "me and a gun" and "icicle" among others...

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I liked how it put me in the wrong, even though I was only talking about how one sees a lot of odd things and it is hard to figure out which ones are a real threat and which are just uglyness.  But anyway I don't know what the hell to do?  I'm just going to keep going but I'm really scared,


Contact a lawyer.  Sue your parents.  Leave them pennyless, Homeless, Jobless...  Hire a PI to follow them and make sure they don't ever get jobs.  make sure those tapes show up wherever they live... so your suffering follows them the rest of their lives.  If they need a nursing home... Find the most fucked up place imaginable, and leave em there to rot like they did to you.
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« Reply #127 on: April 19, 2007, 08:46:10 PM »
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Contact a lawyer.  Sue your parents.  Leave them pennyless, Homeless, Jobless...  Hire a PI to follow them and make sure they don't ever get jobs.  make sure those tapes show up wherever they live... so your suffering follows them the rest of their lives.  If they need a nursing home... Find the most fucked up place imaginable, and leave em there to rot like they did to you.


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« Reply #128 on: April 19, 2007, 11:16:37 PM »
These do sound like unloving and possibly abusive parents.
But, this young woman has stated she has been out of PV since she was age 18, and that she is now age 24.  She has managed to become a senior in college, and has a job.
She seems willing to live in this situation, while trying to negotiate $300-$400 a month living-allowance from these parents in order to move out on her own.
Why not get a student loan for this last year of college, and get the hell out of this house?  There are other atlternatives---women move out of abusive situations every day.
This is a grown woman, not some teenager; who must to put up with this type of living situation.
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« Reply #129 on: April 19, 2007, 11:39:19 PM »
True, but getting out of an abusive home is not made easier with age. Going to school is hard and I have supportive family. I can't imagine going through school without a supportive base. Have faith free you'll get from under the psychos craziness.

Look at what wwasps does to 18 yr.olds (exit plans) and you'll get me...
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« Reply #130 on: April 19, 2007, 11:45:42 PM »
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These do sound like unloving and possibly abusive parents.
But, this young woman has stated she has been out of PV since she was age 18, and that she is now age 24.  She has managed to become a senior in college, and has a job.
She seems willing to live in this situation, while trying to negotiate $300-$400 a month living-allowance from these parents in order to move out on her own.
Why not get a student loan for this last year of college, and get the hell out of this house?  There are other atlternatives---women move out of abusive situations every day.
This is a grown woman, not some teenager; who must to put up with this type of living situation.


Alot of this depends on if her parents are still declaring her on their taxes. If they are then she is S.O.L. for student loans as her parent's income will be well above the acceptable level.

Personally I'm a bit aghast that a 24 year old senior in college is even asking these questions. Still I'm not going to slam her for her choices as I don't know her personal story. I would say that now would be the time to move on from her current situation. Would it be hard and potentially fraught with difficulties? Absolutely.. But far better than living in a home with a couple of nutbar parents.

I do believe the time has come for her to move on. Don't spend your time attempting to sue them, get even with them, confronting them, counseling with them, and trying to gather evidence on them. Just pick up what is yours and leave.

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« Reply #131 on: April 19, 2007, 11:47:31 PM »
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These do sound like unloving and possibly abusive parents.
But, this young woman has stated she has been out of PV since she was age 18, and that she is now age 24.  She has managed to become a senior in college, and has a job.
She seems willing to live in this situation, while trying to negotiate $300-$400 a month living-allowance from these parents in order to move out on her own.
Why not get a student loan for this last year of college, and get the hell out of this house?  There are other atlternatives---women move out of abusive situations every day.
This is a grown woman, not some teenager; who must to put up with this type of living situation.


unfortunetly its more complicted...people get stuck, and are vulnerable
Also,  Id recomend you move away. Find a freinds you can stay at or something.
Its just a bad relationship that needs to be ended at this point, there is nothing that can be done to fix it and parents should not dominate ones life even if you love them or they need you, or whatever else. You'll find things clear up
Also, are you on anti depressants? the reason Im asking this is I used to beon them and i found them very damaging they made me also stuck in a bad situation and they made my mind race.-but in a sad way too.
There is a future, but its not at home. You are better off moving out no matter what the drawbacks appear to be- beleive me I was there
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« Reply #132 on: April 19, 2007, 11:57:39 PM »
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True, but getting out of an abusive home is not made easier with age. Going to school is hard and I have supportive family. I can't imagine going through school without a supportive base. Have faith free you'll get from under the psychos craziness.

Look at what wwasps does to 18 yr.olds (exit plans) and you'll get me...


yeah you sort of end up with like battered childs or wife syndrome...you dont think clearly, you are frightened..
you need to break away

also tsw it really isnt weird to support you kids into their 20s depending on if your famliy has money...i kid you not my cousin has  16,000 a month apartment. Another girl I know was given an estate. (oh the jelously)

Id do it for my kid if I had one, i think..but that isnt the issue its that this "family" is nuts and staying together will only make things worse. Moving away financially, emotionally is the only thing that can help...and your not trapped there- its a mental block not a fiancial one...like I siad stay with a freind
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« Reply #133 on: April 20, 2007, 06:56:18 AM »
I really don't know anyone in the area my parents live?  I was engaged, so I lived with my fiance for four years.  When we broke it off, I moved into an apartment in an ok/ affordable neighborhood where I was assaulted.  Right after getting out of PV at eighteen, my mother was being her normal horrible self, and she kicked me out.  I moved in with a twenty seven year old who also wanted to get married. I had no where else to go and my parents gave me no money.  They were very supportive of me being with the twenty seven year old, my mother to this day says I broke his heart and such and he was the nicest quality person.  Now as an adult, still younger than him, I think it is sick and I don't see what a eighteen year old wife could possibly have to offer an adult?  When she kicked me out at eighteen, i had no car and the boyfriend left for work early so I had no way to get to my college classes.  I still need to retake a class from then to graduate, from the state school I had to transfer too.  I was going to an all womens private college but my father was such a bastard about the cost I had to transfer to the state school, which cost me time and credits.  It was implied that if I did I might get to move out but no luck.  
I can't live on campus beacause I am accepted as a continuing education adult student, probably because I have next to no highschool credits, I am afraid to list behavioral prison camp!!  I know literally no-one in the area my parents live, where I moved home too after being assaulted.  I am older then most of the kids in school and I don't talk about such things at work.  I live of campus and just go for classes, I work and go to school all the time.  I am simply going to start canvassing the area for potential roommates, they can't be worse than these.  My parents also gave me no money while I was living with fiance number two.  I get payed part time at work, so I get paid nothing and no health care, which my father bitches about all the time, even though I have given them over a thousand dollars sense Christmas.  I also still work about thirty hours a week.  I try to give them money but there is no change in their behavior.  I try to be nice, walk on eggshells and such, but they are still very abusive.  The only reason I moved home at all, assault or not is because my parents told me some big story about buying a condo to retire in that i could live in until they decided to move out of the house they have now.  It was a done deal, but of course got home, no condo.    If I want to finish in a year I have to go to school full time, or almost, and therefore, I can't afford to live.  I need a roommate ASAP, I think, then I could almost afford to live.  My parents again, have a brand new sixty thousand dollar Mercedes, we are hardly poor although the way my father acts, you would think we are destitute.  I've been reading a great book on brainwashing and wow do they ever use it in places like PV, my family is like the Soviet KGB what fun.  I am terrified of these people, and I already have post traumatic stress.  You know how you feel when you have butterflies in your stomach, I feel like that all the time.  I feel really scared all the time, I have this hollow feeling right between my rib cage, not some I am hollow inside melodrama, the feeling you get when you stand on the high dive and look down, It's a big ball of anxiety.  I can't sleep I have nightmares, so I am exhausted a lot and I have my psycho mother, bursting into my room to yell about trash bags, or everytime I go downstairs to eat picking at how I take the milk out of the fridge, I'm not exagerating, it's five things everytime I go down to get food. not normal nagging, it's violent and everytime I say anything it gets really violent. she stands really close to you too,  I'm neat too, so she has nothing to yell about but she does anyway, anyone you can find something if you look hard enough?  I have only stayed here because It thought I could put up with it till I graduated, but I forgot how horrible they are, I think we want to believe our family are good people, but I have realized  these people are not anything like good people, I am having trouble even seeing the good in them.  THis actully is good I feel less guilty, not because I want to, I was always ready to take all the guilt and have them be ok, but because they are so over the top even denial can't ignore them.  Interestingly too, and I am not nuts, my computer crashed! The exact same thing happened last time I tried to post stuff about PV.  For no reason, I don't down load music or anything.  It didn't even catch a virus it just crashed, it won't even turn on now, although it froze for a while, I have access to other computers though of course.  What does that mean? nothing I guess although it seems to much coincidence for it to have happened twice when I posted stuff about PV, over a period of time?  It doesn't crash for no reason any other time?  Is that possible? It can't be?  I would be careful though what I say anywhere, though.
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« Reply #134 on: April 20, 2007, 07:07:58 AM »
thank you all for bring so nice, it helps for sure.
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