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« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2007, 06:56:21 PM »
It's really easy to solve this problem. Give kids the same rights as adults. End of discussion. History does not provide the answers to this problem, because the problem sprang from the historical period that is being romanticized.
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« Reply #91 on: April 15, 2007, 09:14:23 PM »
I am really not picking on strippers, and you can get through life I think, wherever you are, I have friends who went to community college and got a two year certificate and are doing better than I am now really financially.  Rough patches after coming out of the Village are normal too for sure, college is hard, I study all the time and I had some classes i failed to start out, just don't give up.  I don't even drink now and haven't for years, not out of some program crap I just grew out of it.  I had a wild year or two about five years ago now.  School really requires all my time.   I study all the time, I would say go talk to the advisor at a community college, and don't tell anyone you don't know really well and trust really well anything, Don't give people you don't know very very well anything they can use against you.  Juicy gossip gets around, and many people can be so shallow and prejudice.  I'm not agreeing really with the way the world works, Although the information you get from college is great I find the system to be far too survival of the fittest with little compassion, color in the lines and all, don't get me started on high school, home schooling for sure!!!  I really have found it is so important to have a base that is completely yours!  Who knows if your boyfriend is going to be faithful or your parents nuts, or your roommate or whatever, if you have a way to support yourself by yourself, like certification in something, then you don't have to depend on other people.  I'm not saying other people can not be dependable just you have to know you can walk away and take care of yourself, that's what I'm working toward.  But college is hard and I study all the time, days and days, It's not fun, but if you just sit down and read it at least three times, make note cards and take at least three days to study, basically do it like your life depends on it, then it gets done.  It's all about having enough money to live and being safe and happy.  If everyone already knows your business than unless it looses you a job, which it can, or keeps you out of schools, which it also can, just ignore it although it sucks, and keep going, you can move when your through.  The hard thing about not being able to pay your bills and trying to finish school is who you have to depend on in the in between, again I'd compare it to other historically horrible times, African Americans in the 1930's south or something, people in Communist china.  Like climbing up a hill while people throw rocks at you, makes it harder.  I worked all day I'm to tired to punctuate.
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« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2007, 01:02:20 AM »
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Sorry if you've already answered this ZA, but how did your kid end up in PV? You don't seem like the type of person who'd fall for that sort of bullshit, so I'm curious.


No, I'm not the parent who placed my girl in PV.  I'm actually her    step-father.  Long story condensed somewhat, my step-daughter (hereafter referred to as my daughter) got involved with her first real boyfriend, who was slightly older and a decent guy.  The time came for this boy  to go to college, and my daughter didn't deal with the separation well.  She skipped school occasionally to go visit him, much to the boyfriend's disapproval.  When it became obvious my daughter's grades were slipping and her unexcused absences earned a suspension, the boyfriend broke up with her.  Her mother and I were confused to say the least - our girl was an honor roll AP student, never any trouble at all.  She made one last trip to see her ex-boyfriend, and to make sure she came directly home her ex drove her back.

While our daughter was AWOL, my wife was forced to call her ex-husband, our girl's biological father and a troubled alcoholic/drug user who had been estranged from his daughter for several years.  When our daughter returned home, my wife told her to call her "dad" and let him know she was safe. Her gene donor flew off the handle, screaming and threatening her with Juvenile Detention.  Our daughter was so terrified by her father's threat of JD hall, she tried to overdose.

We called the biological father while in the hospital, and he showed up angry, seemingly unconcerned about his child's condition and spouting a plan to send the girl off to a "therapeutic boarding school" with the "unlimited (financial) resources" his wealthy family had offered him, and he was not going to entertain any discussion.  The outpatient clinic our daughter was moved to after the hospital had some unpleasant encounters with the bio-dad, and fearing an altercation, they neglected to inform him of his child's release date. We got our daughter back home, and the bio-dad became enraged and vengeful.  He fabricated ungodly allegations against my wife, and in the great state of Tennessee, hearsay evidence is enough to obtain an emergency custody order.  The order was signed on Friday, the father showed up Saturday morning with a Sheriff to enforce it, and whisked our sobbing, hysterical girl off to Maryland.  By law, there should have been an evidentiary hearing three days later with mother and daughter present to address the allegations and refute them.  No hearing occurred, and it wouldn't have been possible for our daughter to offer her testimony - the father had taken her out of state.  Taking the girl on a Saturday made it difficult to obtain good legal counsel, too, which was part of the plan.  (No one has ever addressed the total breach of legal procedure - my wife never had an evidentiary hearing to clear herself of the ludicrous accusations, and our daughter for all intents and purposes could have been legally kidnapped)

Absolutely illegal, I know, and we're still trying to figure out how my wife and daughter's civil rights got thrown out of the window.  Our girl ended up in Peninsula Village, a place that terrified her before she even arrived.  Phone sessions were all PV allowed at first, then my wife and daughter had a face-to-face therapy session.  As my wife was leaving, her daughter tried to break away from the counselors escorting her to run after her mother. She wasn't attempting to injure herself or another, or do great harm to property. The girl was assaulted and thrown face down on the ground and squatted on by five porcine counselors, one on each limb and the last one on her back.  My wife was horrified and enraged, and rather than follow the first instinct of fighting them, she got her camera and started photographing the insanity.  The staff obviously knew they were wrong and being documented, and started howling "She's got a camera!  She's got a camera!"

As a result of photographing the improper restraint (illegal assault, more like it), my wife was banned from seeing or talking to her daughter for six months.  During a conversation with PV's family therapist, my wife was told she had to stop posting negative comments about Peninsula Village on "CAFERTY"  (CAFETY) and anywhere else on the internet if she wanted to see her daughter again.  What happened to the first Amendment?  My wife told them to put that in writing for her.  We received these "guidelines", and surprise, they neglected to include the Internet ban.  Here are the "rules" PV expected my wife to follow.with my notes in bold:

1.   No cameras on the Peninsula Village campus.

Clinical reasoning: Patient confidentiality.
 Who's being protected? Our daughter or Peninsula Village?


2.   Any material received from Peninsula Village cannot be used in a slanderous or demeaning manner.
Rather nebulous, especially since the material they mention was the parent handbook available to all

Clinical reasoning: When staff and parents work together tremendous gains are made in the treatment process.

3.   Your actions and comments need to be supportive of the work Peninsula Village is doing with your daughter.  
Which is to say, you're forbidden to speak poorly of the program, anywhere or anytime

Clinical reasoning: When staff and parents work together tremendous gains are made in the treatment process.

4.   No negative direct or indirect collusion when it comes to the work between Peninsula Village and your daughter.
This is enigmatic, too.  Would consulting an attorney or an advocate group constitute "collusion"?

Clinical reasoning: When staff and parents work together tremendous gains are made in the treatment process.

5.   Any objections or disagreements with Peninsula Village should not be discussed In your daughter’s presence, but rather discussed openly with your family therapist.
Considering our daughter is 17, she has every right to know our concerns about PV's treatment.  Talking it over with the therapist would be a joke, and we were certainly going to reserve the right to take our concerns and problems to outside professional organizations for review.

Clinical reasoning: When staff and parents work together tremendous gains are made in the treatment process.

6.   After such requests are met and there is a demonstration of consistency on your end we will reassess your direct involvement in our work with your daughter.

It is hour hope that you will be able to be directly involved in the family therapy process and that we will be able to work together in the best interest of your daughter.


My wife agreed to these bogus terms, and she was still refused contact with her daughter.  We have a taped phone call of my wife assuring the PV therapist she would follow the guidelines, and the therapist replies, "Well, how can we be sure?"  How indeed, without giving her the chance?  Our attorney told us to forget it, PV had no intention of allowing my wife to be involved with treatment.  

We investigated Peninsula Village and Covenant Health from top to bottom, spending all-nighters on the computer, talking to advocates and sympathetic mental health care professionals.  We discovered Peninsula Village is one of the most abusive programs on U.S. soil, despite the JCAHO certification and SAC for the school.  Covenant Health money bought all the paper needed to deflect attention from a slipshod hellhole.  During this time, our daughter was kept in "shutdown" -  forced to sit on her bed for 6-8 hours at a time.  During the seven months she spent wrongly imprisoned in Peninsula Village, she never made it out of STU, the lowest and most severe level of Peninsula Village - the "Lockdown".
 
Three attorneys met in Nov.-Dec. -  my daughter's guardian ad litem, our attorney, and the biological father's attorney.  PV's treatment was deemed "ineffective" and needed to end.  Due to the biological father being investigated by the DCS for severe allegations regarding...revolting, vile, subhuman, abusive behavior ... I'll leave it at that, but there was no doubt our girl was coming home to us.  The  temporary custody order was declared null and void, along with the bullshit allegations against my wife.  Our girl was home 10 days before Christmas, and I got to see her for the first time in what seemed like years.  I have no children of my own, I love her so much and I couldn't believe we finally had her home  She's finishing high school with a 3.7 average, getting ready for Prom and preparing to head for college.  Not bad, considering Peninsula Village and her biological father had decided she was in need of a full two years in their rotten program since she was private pay, and PV does like to fill the coffers.

One last thing - the biological father's other choice for placement: Hidden Lake Academy.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2007, 01:07:28 AM »
Hey, zen, just bumping my uh...

"Did you go to the cops and media" question.

Well?

Or is this shush shush STFU niles lawsuit.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2007, 02:52:41 AM »
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On behalf of that #800 gorilla....

a) why has nobody told the fucking authorities?

Hey, Niles.  We can't ignore 800 lbs. of gorilla...

The Tennessee Mental Health Dep't made a trip to PV, and the investigator told us how little authority she has there:  she asked to see a restraint log, PV put the book in front of her.  The TMHD investigator noted they had one, but she wasn't allowed to open it and read.  Once again, nobody has any real jurisdiction over PV because it's a school, treatment center, lockdown facility, wilderness treatment facility and lockup for violent offenders charged as adults, as well as a non-profit organization.  JCAHO was notified as well - might as well have sent NATSAP.



Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
a1) if so, what did the authorities say back?


I guess that's above, except for the Blount County Sheriff's Department.  My wife called the Sheriff's office after watching her daughter be brutalized and asked the cop who answered to perform a welfare check, since PV hadn't returned calls to confirm whether her child was alright.  The deputy refused, saying PV has their own security, and the Sheriff's department would only respond if Peninsula Village reported an assault.  My wife asked for the deputy's name, and he refused at first, then gave one.  We're not sure if it was real, but I'm pretty sure my wife taped the call.  Later we found out it's against the law for cops to refuse to perform a welfare check on a minor suspected of being abused.  Small county, big Peninsula Behavioral Health money.

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a2) did you go to the media?

Local media is out of the question. The Knoxville Sentinel steers clear of slagging Peninsula Village because of Covenant Health, a Wal-Mart of health services.  Covenant sponsors the annual marathon, not to mention Covenant is the second biggest employer in Knoxville, employing over 8,000.

The other option is Metro Pulse, a seemingly liberal free weekly paper.  Not a chance there - in 1999(?), Metro Pulse published an ass-blistering front page expose of Peninsula Village.  Try to find it now - it has disappeared right out of their archives, out of existence.  If anyone can find it, I'd appreciate a copy.

I need to write a concise synopsis for John Gorenfeld or Maia Szalavitz, full of pictures and documents.  It might get their attention.

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b) lynch mobs?

I can try, but the local inbreds will defend their PV counselor jobs by surrounding a lynch mob and placing all across a log squealing, Deliverance style.  No man is going to take that route with me....

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b1) mobs utilizing other implements of destruction?

That might be successful, as long as the mob is carrying subpoenas, summonses, and search warrants.

Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
c) Posse of rednecks?

Rednecks tend to avoid conflicts with other Billy-Bobs, and PV is full of hilljacks with stagnant gene pools and unnatural banjo playing skills.
 

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Come the hell on, man, this is fucking ridiculous. I can usually block this shit out so I dont want to choke slam everyone I see and go "You're not an american, you're a giant pussy! A few generations ago people would have given this shit some real mob justice!" but this just cant get out of my head.

Seriously, what the FUCK? Have they paid EVERYONE off in TN or has everyone just not considered doing this shit?

Go to the media! Go to the BBC if the USA refuses... for fucks sake, man, WTF? Come the hell on, man, this is fucking ridiculous. I can usually block this shit out so I dont want to choke slam everyone I see and go "You're not an american, you're a giant pussy! A few generations ago people would have given this shit some real mob justice!" but this just cant get out of my head.


My daughter accused me today of being "obsessed" with erasing PV from human memory.  I can't really explain why her mom and I NEED to do this.  The PV nightmares my daughter suffers are one reason...six months stolen from her last year of high school...pictures of her face-down on the ground at STU, a victim of  an "improper" restraint (fucking assault of fat-asses)...

What happened in Court was a mockery.  Our girl was taken by an unbalanced drunk filled with hate and money doled out to him by his too-rich, clueless relatives...I would love to drag Covenant Health doing business as Peninsula Village into a court room, but after 7-8 months of legal bills, money's depleted...for now.  We have them on malpractice, over-medication, medical neglect, unlawful imprisonment, parental alienation, unlicensed clinicians, misrepresentation (accepting rapists/homicidal kids)

It's been four months since we got our daughter back, but I'm spoiling to move forward..  I've got one unexploded evidence bomb I've been sitting on, but I really don't know how much harm it will do when I use it.  I've decided the only way to decimate Peninsula Village is to link Covenant Health's ownership of it everywhere, make it an albatross to them.

I'm working on it, but I need a crew of wreckers and pros...I'm studying what happened to HLA, and I'm going to contact John Gorenfeld and Maia.  I've got an archive of abuses and crimes that should be to tempting.

The wife and I are doing all we can, Niles, but not many programs have the evil shysters and money of a Mega-Med like Covenant behind them.  Any suggestions on receptive media or legal counsel willing to review and advise would be appreciated.  I've got former PV kids who were abused and left wrecked looking to my wife and I for help, and we're trying.  So many lawyers in Knoxville don't want to touch a case against Covenant Health, so we need to find someone fearless and hellbent on doing the right thing.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2007, 03:00:46 AM »
I guess we have to go "higher up" in terms of getting people to jump on this shit.

You tried to bug Montels producers? He did an ep on WWASPS I've seen syndicated a few times... he might have the balls to stand up again.

Also, I really think the BBC or other exo-national media is probably your best bet, unless you can get the Daily Show in on it.

Poor Jon, poor, poor Jon Stuart...  :-?

At any rate Im really having trouble blocking this shit out of my mind at work and just doing regular things, now. Living down the street from a Teen Challenge and living in REDNECK CENTRAL, FLORIDA can kind of do that to you.

 :o I also think Mr. Primate should show up in the office of some high ranking beaurocrat in Tennessee. Know names of people who need to have their desks pooped on?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2007, 03:05:50 AM »
Excuse me, had to make this its own post:
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My daughter accused me today of being "obsessed" with erasing PV from human memory.


UM EXCUSE ME WTF.

WE NEED AN EXCUSE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A PROBLEM THIS BAD?

WHY DO WE NEED TO JUSTIFY PUTTING AN END TO TORTURE AND BRAINWASHING CAMPS THAT CONVINCE EVERYONE THEY NEED THEIR "HELP" LIKE A FUCKING CULT?

THE REASON FOR WHY WE DO THIS IS SELF EVIDENT.

Why are people so apathetic we're "obsessed" if we want to put an end to this, but those same people will get really, really pissed off if a individual rapes a child?

HELLO CALLING MR APE?? Or is this the Pink Elephant?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2007, 03:43:35 AM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Excuse me, had to make this its own post:
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My daughter accused me today of being "obsessed" with erasing PV from human memory.

UM EXCUSE ME WTF.

WE NEED AN EXCUSE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT A PROBLEM THIS BAD?

WHY DO WE NEED TO JUSTIFY PUTTING AN END TO TORTURE AND BRAINWASHING CAMPS THAT CONVINCE EVERYONE THEY NEED THEIR "HELP" LIKE A FUCKING CULT?

THE REASON FOR WHY WE DO THIS IS SELF EVIDENT.

Why are people so apathetic we're "obsessed" if we want to put an end to this, but those same people will get really, really pissed off if a individual rapes a child?

HELLO CALLING MR APE?? Or is this the Pink Elephant?


The comment came from my daughter so recently sprung from PV,.and she worries about my all-night research and efforts. Considering her re-adjustment to school and making eye contact with the opposite sex, I know she tries not to think about PV. She will talk to advocates, though, and I think she wants to help in a clandestine way.

ME?  I'M "BIT"!  I can't stop.  I'm 40 years old, and I've never run up against such vicious evil (excluding Dubya).  I never knew these places existed until my family's run-in with this "industry". Nothing can stop us.

Hey, "obsessed" isn't that bad.  People I don't know or even care about have been referring to me as a "stalker", as well as crazy, because I found them while hunting PV information.  A word to the PV wise, and you to, Jimmy Pearce:  MySpace isn't private.  Everyone is entitled to a private life, but distance it far, far from your  professional life.   Bragging about on-job experience being worth more than legitimate education doesn't mean anything to me.  

Put it this way:  Dumb is locking your keys in your car.  What I've seen recently among "para-professionals" is not dumb, it's unethical.  If you had put more time into learning your chosen career in school, you would understand professional ethics.
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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #98 on: April 16, 2007, 06:40:40 AM »
I was reading the blogs again about PV, I like the one about the hyperactive kid, I don't believe in ADD, hyperactivity ok.  ADD is just a diagnosis they give kids who are not doing well in school.
It also annoys me that PV always gets billed as a mental institution or juvie.  I'm not nuts! I'm not even depressed, which considering is pretty good.  I have some post traumatic stress, and I know I do because there are symptoms that fit, but it's obvious to me I have post traumatic stress.  It's not like "your toe hurts, you must have bronchitis."  They want to fit everything in a neat package, and feed it expensive drugs that they are getting paid to give out , even if the label doesn't apply.
 I don't like how this country works for kids and teens, The school system is crap!  It's like a Pink Floyd song, "the machine" or something.  It was so strict but at the same time it was like living in a bad neighborhood.  It seemed too, if you reported abuse, you got in trouble so you didn't report it any more, not to mention the hazing you received from the other kids. I was sexually harassed like you wouldn't believe in high school.  Every morning at the crack of dawn, color in the lines, study study study, two three hours of homework after putting in a seven hour day already.  And you are always wrong, your teacher can be a total jerk, there are a few of them out there, but you are always wrong.  Is it any wonder kids don't want to go, rebel or start beating their heads against the wall.  I just had a sort of sit down strike, I didn't want to go, I thought it was all wrong, so they put me in a prison camp?  HMMMM?  Not an abusive family/ system at all.  I have seen such horrible abuse and stupid people and unfortunately/ fortunately I like history, I sometimes wonder if we can ever get beyond just the Nazi part of humanity?  Perhaps it's just a matter of damage control, What is most frightening, I find, is the face it wears. It's "banality", thank you hannah arrendet.  She wrote "the Banality of Evil" after the Nuerenburg trials, about Eichman.  It's all about how normal this horrible guy seemed, how normal in many ways he really was.  How, sitting behind a desk, knowing perfectly well what he was doing, he kills thousands.  She describes him as reminding her of a local police chief, just ordinary, not a monster in dress or speech, just a really normal almost nice seeming guy? No wild eyes and mouth foam?      
 I'm sick of being hit on by sixty year olds in the book store too, "thank you sir It's so appropriate for you to tell me I'm really hot and cute."  Kids become anorexic and smoke pot and whatever, many of them because their lives are horrible, mine was.  I think anorexia comes from issues of desperately wanting to control some aspect of your abusive life.  Like an animal in a cage chewing it's foot off.  The very high divorce rate among baby boomers, and the sheer immature viciousness in many of the divorces did not help their children much either.    
I like another post that also comes up when you type in abuse at Peninsula Village, it has nothing to do with PV really,  it's something from India's department of human services.  It's talks about a survey of kids taken to see how many report relatively serious abuse.  All told, verbal and physical, 89% of Indian children report being abused.  The essay says this is relevant because parents are so completely in control of the well being of their children, not to mention teachers and such.  There are wonderful teachers, but there are also total jerks.  I can't even tell people how abusive my mother can be, because what is the first thing an idiot shrink  is going to say, come on all PV people know, Why your mother must be crazy, so therefore, hereditarily you must be crazy, you both are Bi-polar.  "But I'm never manic?"  "no matter" "but I don't ever feel chemically depressed?"  Even when I'm sad it relates to pretty immediate stuff and it doesn't knock me out or anything. "I don't have patterned episodes of highs and low?"  No matter you have it any way, have some drug that eat your liver so you die at forty, painfully?"  I also have my doubts about Bi-polar disorder, PMS and teenage girl hormones but whatever.  I am moving to a damn New England farmhouse and home schooling my kids.   People, history tells us, can be very abusive.   My mother doesn't seem crazy to me, the throwing out my herbs and essential oils was a bit much, but I'm into Wicca and other random stuff.  Nothing scary, it's just an entertaining hobby.  But my mother takes offence to witchcraft, I think the poisoning comment she made was in regards to some belief witchcraft attracts evil or is evil or something?  She is very normal most of the time, almost, she's just abusive.  I certainly think abuse is a form of mental illness, but I'm not sure they have it pinpointed in the DSM very well.  I've been around many abusive people and I think a lack of ability to see life from the perspective of others, or to have empathy, is at least a symptom.  Abusive people tend to be cold in the face of things that would bother most folks.  I'm not abusive so I don't know, prejudice justifies abuse, my mom is pretty prejudice about a lot of things?  She is a strong upholder of the status quo, very nationalistic?   What disorder would you give about sixty percent of Germany, a very nice country, I have been there my best friend really was German, or half German actually, during the war?  Racists in the south?  I think she has that disorder? I love her too, and she is not "evil" it's not black and white, she can be kind sometimes, kinda sort of.  ok kind and empathetic actually maybe not, and I'm not just being mean, she doesn't do understanding, but she can be nice, and ordinary.  She can be happy?  I'm not sure that is the same thing as kindness. It's weird to write this because I usually just make excuses for her, no really I do, but in direct translation, WOW, she really isn't very nice?
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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2007, 06:52:56 AM »
I believe in hyperactivity but I don't know about prescribing amphetamines for it?  I know they came up with the idea in the 1930's or so, I think the eugenics program was still in place then, more good reading. I'm not sure ADD even exists, I know it's far to easy a diagnosis to get, you don't do well in school and there you go. School isn't fun, kids and teens are, just that, kids.  Also they have a lot of stress from else where, no one seems to take into account the context of these kids lives, it's all just the fourteen year old? Yeah sure.
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« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2007, 06:56:39 AM »
I'm sorry the eugenics program was more or less in place till the civil rights movement late era, 1969 or so.  In fact you could argue, it is still in place in many ways.
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« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2007, 09:51:19 AM »
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I'm sorry the eugenics program was more or less in place till the civil rights movement late era, 1969 or so.  In fact you could argue, it is still in place in many ways.


You may wish to consider starting your own thread of bombastic rants that frequently stray off topic and seem hell bent to hurl insults towards the intelligence of the posting crowd here. Or, there are other threads here where you can talk about your college level studies, the books you read, and  contemporary political thought.
Hows about it?
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« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2007, 09:55:52 AM »
Those are my favorite ones.
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« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2007, 11:04:05 AM »
Greetings, Not Free,

Quote from: ""we are not free""

It also annoys me that PV always gets billed as a mental institution or juvie.

You're absolutely right.  PV promotes itself as whatever the admissions staff thinks the parents want to hear.   You've got post traumatic stress disorder, like a lot of the young women who are sent to PV.  Should you be thrown into the milieu with court-ordered violent criminals?  No, because despite PV's claim to provide "individualized" treatment, they don't.  Let's say a young woman is at PV for depression and self esteem issues, and another is there for beating the hell out of her mother with a rifle butt for crack money.  Free, you're aware of the confrontation groups:  Who's more likely to call one, the insecure, depressed patient or the aggressive, violent one?  To further complicate matters, PV staff reward the patients who "call out" other patients for infractions, real or not.  

I read an interesting article on the causes of Deviant Peer Influence that said it's not the young patients fault the deviant peers hold sway, it's the fault of inexperienced young counselors.  A control study using older, better educated and experienced counselors significantly reduced incidents of aggressive peers exerting influence over the other patients.  With patients like Klepper the homerun kid, and especially the (I suppose) still present Dominic Harwanke, PV puts patients at great risk.  Dominic was arrested and tried as an adult for conspiring to commit mass murder - he's capable of influencing others to engage in acts of extreme violence.

Quote from: ""we are not free""
The very high divorce rate among baby boomers, and the sheer immature viciousness in many of the divorces did not help their children much either.
 

Well said, and something I've seen happen everywhere.  The kids become pawns, and after an extremely bitter divorce, the parent without custody is often waiting and watching like a vulture for an opportunity to attack the custodial parent's caregiving skills, maybe even snatch custody away.  Often, though, the vengeful parent only wants to hurt the ex and has no desire to have the child live with them.  Where do they send the unwanted child?  PV, ASPEN, Teen Challenge, or God forbid, Magnolia Christian Center.

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come on all PV people know, Why your mother must be crazy, so therefore, hereditarily you must be crazy, you both are Bi-polar.  "But I'm never manic?"  "no matter" "but I don't ever feel chemically depressed?


Absolutely.  Been there, heard that, it's done for convenience by the clinical staff, and in the case of divorced parents, the custodial parent will exaggerate wildly to vilify the other parent.

Not Free, I wish you would register as a member of Fornits so I could private message you.  I've spoken with a lot of former PV patients gathering information and stories.  Also, you might enjoy communicating with these young people, they can relate to what you went through better than almost anyone else.

I'd also like to ask some questions about your stay at PV and give you some info that might be useful to you.  I can't post any of it here, I'm afraid records and documents would start to "disappear" from PV's files if I did.

Good luck with exams, and remember to relax.
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« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2007, 12:02:28 PM »
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Absolutely illegal, I know, and we're still trying to figure out how my wife and daughter's civil rights got thrown out of the window. Our girl ended up in Peninsula Village, a place that terrified her before she even arrived. Phone sessions were all PV allowed at first, then my wife and daughter had a face-to-face therapy session. As my wife was leaving, her daughter tried to break away from the counselors escorting her to run after her mother. She wasn't attempting to injure herself or another, or do great harm to property. The girl was assaulted and thrown face down on the ground and squatted on by five porcine counselors, one on each limb and the last one on her back. My wife was horrified and enraged, and rather than follow the first instinct of fighting them, she got her camera and started photographing the insanity. The staff obviously knew they were wrong and being documented, and started howling "She's got a camera! She's got a camera!"

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Words cannot express the hate. I'd like to see these people (and bio-dad too) die horrible deaths.
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