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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2007, 09:43:39 PM »
I get your point about the environment strippers have to work in. It's not the best thing for a persons self confidence and like any job in the entertainment industry you get treated like you're only worth the amount of money you make for the boss.

You're probably right about men not understanding the situation in the way that a woman may, add the Village and you might as well be speaking in tongues to the devil. This issue is one that requires a willing voice and a receptive ear if any progress is to be made. I don't know how this all relates to Abigail... Has anyone spoken with her by any chance? I haven't read the book but most people have said that she tries to put a positive spin on the Village. The "it was bad but necessary" song and dance, polishing a turd perhaps. Still it maybe that she only needs a non-critical group of understanding people, who won't take advantage of her, in order to get past the mind fuckary.

Also, why do you post in triples?
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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2007, 09:47:02 PM »
Once again though, I am sick of PV discussions turning to lurid tabloid t.v. crud.  Strippers and ho’s and such.  Again this promotes the prejudice P.V. would like to instill in people about the teens there.  Once again while I was in P.V. there were 2, two in the entire time that I was there, eighteen months or so, an average P.V. stay with good insurance, and they were foster kids, with no families and they had run away. two girls, out of all the girls in there.  Many of the girls had been molested and such.  There were instances of things that if you were really reaching and a fundamentalist nut case you could call them kind sort of like, which PV seemed to want to do, big surprise.  They like to make the girls sound "bad" so that they are discredited and there parents or the foster care system will leave them in for as long as possible so they make more money.  The money involved is very very relevant to everything PV does.  I was a public relations advertising major and PV is realpolitic public relations at it's worst.  Have you noticed how the T.V. also focuses on the same themes. Teenage ho's and such?  It's really creepy actually.  I have no idea what it means, All I could guess is lobbying perhaps? Covenant health must make a great deal of money,  Mel Sembler, he's got connections as do others, I think it simply represents the trend in the industry toward abuse and extortion, and the need to justify it.   P.V. cost’s 500 to 700$ a night per girl, that’s 182,000.00$ a year going with the 500$ rate.  Estimate in the undereducated low paid staff and that’s a very nice profit margin.  Ten million a year estimating low.
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« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2007, 01:47:57 AM »
I've noticed that many abusive programs focus on sex in one way or another. Is that just  another manifestation of the tactic types of thought reform?
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« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2007, 02:48:36 AM »
Because kids/teenagers are vulnerable to attacking that part of their psyche.

Shit, these days you can't masturbate without a fucking inquisition, much less have sex in any sort of healthy way until you're married  :roll: so what do you expect?

The humiliation and shame that you can create with attacking someone from that direction psychologically is pretty extreme. Hell, adults are vulnerable to it.... when they're free to run away instead of rebutting you. Imagine being a child... trapped in a program.
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« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2007, 12:11:06 PM »
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Once again though, I am sick of PV discussions turning to lurid tabloid t.v. crud.  Strippers and ho’s and such.  Again this promotes the prejudice P.V. would like to instill in people about the teens there.  Once again while I was in P.V. there were 2, two in the entire time that I was there, eighteen months or so, an average P.V. stay with good insurance, and they were foster kids, with no families and they had run away. two girls, out of all the girls in there.  Many of the girls had been molested and such.  There were instances of things that if you were really reaching and a fundamentalist nut case you could call them kind sort of like, which PV seemed to want to do, big surprise.  They like to make the girls sound "bad" so that they are discredited and there parents or the foster care system will leave them in for as long as possible so they make more money.  The money involved is very very relevant to everything PV does.  I was a public relations advertising major and PV is realpolitic public relations at it's worst.  Have you noticed how the T.V. also focuses on the same themes. Teenage ho's and such?  It's really creepy actually.  I have no idea what it means, All I could guess is lobbying perhaps? Covenant health must make a great deal of money,  Mel Sembler, he's got connections as do others, I think it simply represents the trend in the industry toward abuse and extortion, and the need to justify it.   P.V. cost’s 500 to 700$ a night per girl, that’s 182,000.00$ a year going with the 500$ rate.  Estimate in the undereducated low paid staff and that’s a very nice profit margin.  Ten million a year estimating low.


A lot of that money probably goes toward paying for these quarterly propaganda packets. Printing up the Vision can be no cheap venture.

http://www.peninsulavillage.org/vision%20fall%2006.pdf
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« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2007, 12:25:48 PM »
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 Ten million a year estimating low.


According to ZoomInfo's last data:  $13.7 million, staff of 325, credited to just Peninsula Village School, not Peninsula Behavioral Health.
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« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2007, 09:05:41 PM »
Sex, drugs, violence, abuse, etc. They focus on whatever it takes to break the kid down. We all know that.
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« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2007, 04:49:08 AM »
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I've noticed that many abusive programs focus on sex in one way or another. Is that just  another manifestation of the tactic types of thought reform?


It's a common program practice to find an exploitable weakness in a kid.  Richard Bradbury was pressured to reveal his sexual dirt (which he didn't have) while in STRAIGHT, and the relentless wearing away went on until Bradbury admitted to being abused by several local firemen.  He thought that was what they wanted to hear, but this exposed Bradbury's Achilles heel, and the STRAIGHT inquisitors went to work on him, telling him he must have wanted the abuse to happen, and they started calling him gay and much worse..  

Girls who have been raped are told it was their fault.  Kat from CAFETY's story of a counselor standing behind her and recounting the details of her sexual assault while playing the song that was playing during her attack is an example of sadistic torture, not therapy.  I remember reading Kat's account of that incident and feeling numb at first, then enraged.

Kids without drug problems will be assigned one. A young lady at Peninsula Village told me she was there for nothing more than extreme depression following the death of her mother.  She fought the lockdown level and was restrained continuously, in straitjackets bed nets,and chemical restraints.  A bed net fastens you to a bed, completely immobile, and if this young lady started to fall asleep, a staffer would kick the bed and say "this isn't rest time, you need to stay up and consider your actions" The staff continuously administered  Thorazine, Klonopine, and Halperidol to her.  During the mandatory AA meetings, this young lady said she wasn't into drugs or alcohol, her problem was the strain of losing her mom.  The staff said she was addicted to tranquilizers - the very tranquilizers they were giving her, drugs she had no experience with before the program.

My step-daughter had no real experience with drugs - she had drank beer once (which her biological father provided to her, her brother, and a friend of her brother.  Her brother and his friend ended up violently ill from the cheap brew, and since my stepdaughter only had three or four beers, she played nursemaid to the drunk-sick lads, cleaning up their vomit .)  She tried pot once (with her brother, again).  Other than her biological father providing alcohol to very young minors, such activity is normative adolescent behavior.

My stepdaughter had been prescribed Adderall for ADD a couple of years before being locked into PV, and the PV staff accused her of being addicted to the prescription, since they needed some dependency to force our girl to attend AA meetings.  

The one-size-fits-all treatment requires finding (or creating) an addiction, or turning a rape victim's ordeal into something the victim  encouraged and wanted.  That's the "break 'em down and build them up" policy.  The counselors need something, a weakness they can exploit, to wear-away the adolescents' self worth and esteem until they "break down" and admit anything, true or not.
 
Given the questionable educational backgrounds of many Peninsula Village staff, I wonder if they have the skills to "break (teens) down and build 'em back up". I have no doubt that some of the counselors possess the sadistic natures necessary to restrain, abuse, and isolate young patients until they're broken, but who's really trained to build them  up?  Some kids are far more clever than the staff, and they manipulate the counselors into believing they're progressing, and they get bumped up to cabins.

I talked with a young man in California on St. Patrick's day, a former PV patient who said he was celebrating Saint Patrick, even though St. Patrick wasn't Irish at all, but Greek.  I immediately liked him for his humor, intelligence, confidence, and his taste in good Punk and DC Core (The young man is a fan of my favorites, Dead Boys/Bad Brains, etc. We had a bond established when we realized we both held GG Allin and the Scumfucks in high regard)  The young man was taking time out from a party at his place to have some beers and talk to me about what could have been a downer for his festivities.  It didn't bring him down at all, he should be a motivational speaker to program survivors. He said he stayed sane knowing his real "family" of nomadic "bridge kids" who were extremely loyal to him would rush to PV and break him out if they knew he was being kept there.  It gave him hope, and PV 's behavior modification can't  work unless all hope is excised.

This young man left lockdown and entered a Clan reserved for the real "trouble boys", the ones who were extremely tough and difficult to reach..  He took pride in being a part of this clan, and told me that years before he arrived, it was this defiant Clan who built the cabins.  He hopes that when PV is finally exposed and sued out of existence, the cabins the Hawk Clan built will be left standing.

After leaving PV, the young man said he felt like a survivor, not a victim, because he easily manipulated the staff into believing he had no addiction and attended no AA meetings (although he did have a drug problem at the time) and they never managed to break him, despite restraints and consequences.  

Now the young man has a successful business in L.A., a nice apartment, a bubbly, funny  girlfriend, and he's turned PV's abuses into a positive, although PV wouldn't consider him a success story:  He has no fond memories of PV other than his Clan, and outsmarting the staff and clinicians by manipulating them.  After what he suffered at  PV, he says he "fears no man now,"   It pleases him to know he has everything the PV staff said he would never have in life...He turned a situation where he could easily have buckled and left PV feeling like a "victim",  into walking out feeling like a survivor.  His self worth and inner strength are not the result of Peninsula Village's manipulative program, they were honed and developed within himself to cripple Peninsula Village's efforts to "break" his spirit.

Believe your kids when they describe abuse, or at least demand a full explanation (discounting "manipulation of parental emotions") from the staff. If the program isn't forthcoming, get a guardian ad litem for your child to represent his interests.  The stories I hear coming out of PV all recount the same abuses, and these are young men and women who do not know each other and often attended at different times. If you discount mass hallucination, there's a pattern of abuse going on there that PV tries to discount as "manipulation".
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« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2007, 11:53:22 AM »
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The staff said she was addicted to tranquilizers - the very tranquilizers they were giving her, drugs she had no experience with before the program.

How the fuck...? That is so fucked up i don't know where to begin! How could they say that?!?!? Sorry...  I was in a bad program myself but I'm having a little trouble wrapping my brain around that one.. how could they be force-feeding her those drugs and then saying that in the same breath?? Unbelievable!
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« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2007, 02:05:26 PM »
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The staff said she was addicted to tranquilizers - the very tranquilizers they were giving her, drugs she had no experience with before the program.
How the fuck...? That is so fucked up i don't know where to begin! How could they say that?!?!? Sorry...  I was in a bad program myself but I'm having a little trouble wrapping my brain around that one.. how could they be force-feeding her those drugs and then saying that in the same breath?? Unbelievable!


They did the same thing with my child.  Here's the story of the  young lady who was "addicted" to PV's chemical restraints:

Peninsula Village = HeLL
My name I want to remain anonymous for now. I was sent to Peninsula Village back in Sept. 2004 Many things were horrible... just to name a few for now, because I do not want them to know who I am if they read this because I am working on trying to form a large lawsuit against them so yea but here are a few things I experienced there for about 6 months:
Being Physically restrained about twice daily on average where there was no reason for it whatsoever. An alarm kind of like a car alarm except much louder would be turned on and about 20 staff would come running into the unit and all basically jump me, throw me to the ground and sit on me to hold me down.... a few times they really hurt me.. I remember one instance in which they performed Xrays on my jaw and wrist from my restraint.
I would also be mechanically restrained when I "struggled" meaning when I was trying to escape my restraint because they were hurting me. I would be tied down to a bed and sometimes they would leave me there for hours or just about the whole day. If I had to go to the bathroom they would put a bedpan underneath me. disgusting. Also if I fell asleep they would come kick my bed and tell me to wake up. they said that being tied down was a punishment and not a treat of naptime. But it was a no wonder I was so tired. They had me way over medicated. I was put on Abilify for my agitation..Everytime they would restrain me, they would increase my dose. I was up to 120 Mg daily. But thats not all... when I was restrained they would give me large dose shots in my ass of Klonopin, Haldol, Thorazine, etc. They would make me so tired I could have slept for days.
`we had to eat on our beds, we didnt even get to sit at a table.
`bathroom times were on their terms... if we had to go when it was not bathroom break, we had to wait, and if it was a real emergency they would allow it but then you would get consequenced for it later on in consequence grooup. wHO ever thought of being consequenced for having to use the bathroom?
`we were not allowed to talk except in group therapy or if we raised our hand and were actually called on.
`You had to sit on your bed with your back up against the wall. If you got off your bed, you woukd be restrained.
`there were level systems which always made me feel bad about myself.
`when you were restrained they would strip you of your clothing and make you wear hospital gowns until you contracted to move up to wearing scrubs then contracting to wear your clothes.
` the first day i goit there I was restrained and in my restraint I vomitted and they made me lay in it. my face was covered in it for about 2 hours.
` In my stay there i must have been restrained over 60 times and they were all completely unnecessary.
`we were forced to participate in their AA or NA groups. i never had an addiction problem but they said I did. they said I liked tranqs. they were wrong, i never had one of them in me until I came to PV.
`i was forced to participate in Medicine wheel groups in which we had to learn and were tested on some kind of Native American Stuff.
`The director of my unit at the time was not licensed he was actually denied by the board of health so he was misrepresenting himself. He told me once, "if you think you are smart enough to get kicked out of here and escape it here you are wrong"
`I would not see my dad for weeks sometimes over a month.
`my family thrapy sessions would get taken away from me in which I could not talk to my dad much less see him
` if when i was talking to my dad and i tried to tell him how bad it was there they would end the family therapy session right there. they also told him I was incompetent and did not know what I was talking about when he heard me tell him about my bruises
` I was covered in bruises from the head down.
` that is all i am going to say for now.
the reason i was sent to PV was for PTSD from my mother passing away when i was 14. if i would cry about it, they told me I was attention seeking.
My PTSD worsened alot from being at PV. to this day I still have nghtmares and flashbacks from that place.
Please if you are thinking of sending your child there, take it from me, I have been there, there are much better places to go.
The one I got sent to from PV when i was kicked out in feb 05 was meridell in texas. now that is a wonderful place. i have nothing but good things to say about that place. But PV is the total opposite.


I'm trying to get this young lady some good legal representation to make PV answer for what is really some heinous abuse.  She needs  aggresive counsel, and like so many other people in her situation, counsel is almost unaffordable.  I've been trying to get the ACLU involved, or get some advice from Bazelon.  We need to help these kids, they just don't have the financial means to make PV answer for the criminal mistreatment they endured.
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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2007, 02:31:15 PM »
Sorry if you've already answered this ZA, but how did your kid end up in PV? You don't seem like the type of person who'd fall for that sort of bullshit, so I'm curious.
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« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2007, 06:16:35 PM »
On behalf of that #800 gorilla....

a) why has nobody told the fucking authorities?

a1) if so, what did the authorities say back?

a2) did you go to the media?

b) lynch mobs?

b1) mobs utilizing other implements of destruction?

c) Posse of rednecks?

Come the hell on, man, this is fucking ridiculous. I can usually block this shit out so I dont want to choke slam everyone I see and go "You're not an american, you're a giant pussy! A few generations ago people would have given this shit some real mob justice!" but this just cant get out of my head.

Seriously, what the FUCK? Have they paid EVERYONE off in TN or has everyone just not considered doing this shit?

Go to the media! Go to the BBC if the USA refuses... for fucks sake, man, WTF?
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« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2007, 06:35:48 PM »
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A few generations ago people would have given this shit some real mob justice!"


The treatment of children gets progressively worse the further back in history you go. The trend would suggest that today's treatment will ultimately improve with time. Not that this is comfort to those who lived it.
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« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2007, 06:40:31 PM »
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A few generations ago people would have given this shit some real mob justice!"

The treatment of children gets progressively worse the further back in history you go. The trend would suggest that today's treatment will ultimately improve with time. Not that this is comfort to those who lived it.


I mean if I told people theres some seedy place that is torturing, drugging and raping kids and brought photographs of it, people would do something about it.

Yanno, the real americans? Not the fat consumerists.

Yah, I know back then kids were often treated worse, but OTOH back then people "grew up" and moved out and had families in their fucking teens. We didnt have people over 13-14 living at home being treated like little kids!

My great grand parents were on their own and having my grandparents when they were fucking 14, man!
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« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2007, 06:45:36 PM »
That's the difference right there. In generations past, a teenaged kid who couldn't get along with their parents could join up w/ the military, take off for a land stake, simply take off and do what they wanted. That is now illegal. We all like to think we're doing something to save them having to make it on their own and we assume that that something is better than being on their own in the world. It's not!
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