Peninsula Village

[Anonymous]

I "work" while you drink?  Are you calling me a stripper, in response to saying the fact that discussion of PV inevitably turns to Abigail which inevitably turns to a discussion of Abigails sex life with an old guy which inevitably digress to sexual criticisms of Abigail which inevitably end up being sexist.  So you called me a stripper in response to drawing attention to sexism?  Isn’t that a bit ironic?  So women who are touchy about sexism must be strippers?  Is that convoluted chicken logic or what?  Right up there with she was asking for it, and she must like being abused.  I work in a book store idiot!  Is everyone on this blog male or what?  I can’t stand “stripper” culture as it is so over represented on American media.  Again I work in a BOOKSTORE, I am a freaking LIBRARIAN for Christ sakes, I thought I had misconstrued  the blogs and people writing on this site, but it appears not.  If you are talking about Abigail being a stripper “cabaret singer”.  Abigail was a nineteen year old out of a prison camp with a man old enough to be her father, I feel bad for strippers, that is a horribly ugly world, speaking of misogynistic crap.  Cut the nineteen year old fresh out of a prison camp some slack as far as weird situations go.  And just because I could write you a fun dissertation on the modern economic sex “slave” trade doesn’t mean I am one.  Go to the LIBRARY idiot and do some research.  I am assuming you already frequent strip clubs as you refer to drinking in one.  I thought I was mistaken, thank you for so aptly proving me right in my response to you, I feel much better now.  Sexist chicken brain. Your understanding of women’s rights is amazing, you would not refer to a black person as a cotton picker would you, please don’t refer to a college senior with a 3.4 GPA who works in a BOOK STORE, as someone that is there to fulfill your misogynistic sexual impulse, don't refer to Abigail that way either.  Again go look up misogynist, if there isn’t a picture of a stripper next to it, it is a faulty reference book.  Good God!!  your response was so sexist and cliché.  Nothing in what I wrote was sexual in the least, other than saying people luridly over sexualize the situations of the girls in the Village.  I don't know what you are imagining over there but we are all pretty normal looking over here and bland work clothes, no makeup, and unshaven legs are hardly Girls Gone Wild material, which is also in the reference book next to misogynistic.  So you don't like this women she insulted you, although I was not referring to you particularly, so you want to cast her as a women who is beneath you and accessible to sexual abuse, Freud says HMMM?  Hah Hah your a sexist idiot, and I just proved it, actually you proved it, thank you, I win.   Did I mention I want to go to law school.  Feminist bitches forever, did I mention you have really restored my faith in men not being extremely criminally dangerous and scary.  You were refering to me because it was about "working" too. Real nice come back with a sexual slur.  It would be funny if it were not so ugly and scary.  It's all around women too, you read my postings there was nothing about sex in them, sexism sure, but not anything that would make you think I was someone you could address in a sexual manner, but men always attack you with sex.

[Anonymous]

So you don't like this women she insulted you, although I was not referring to you particularly, so you want to cast her as a women who is beneath you and accessible to sexual abuse, Freud says HMMM?
Hah Hah you are sexist idiot, and I just proved it, actually you proved it, thank you, I win.  Did I mention I want to go to law school AND THAT i'M A COLLEGE SENIOR WITH A 3.4 GPA.  Feminist bitches forever,  you have really restored my faith in men not being extremely criminally dangerous and scary. AGAIN I WORK IN A BOOKSTORE, I'm a freaking LIBRARIAN for Christ sakes, I thought I had misconstrued  the blogs and people writing on this site, but it appears not. Good God!!  your response was so sexist and cliché, stupid men respond to everything with sexual attacks.  Nothing in what I wrote was sexual in the least, other than saying people luridly over sexualize the situations of the girls in the Village.  This could be why I haven't had a date in a long time, oh well better dateless than black and dating a racist.
and I thought I had misconstrued  the postings on this site, seriously, I wrote some personal stuff about my family problems and then I went back and reread the blogs backwards, up from where I had written, and having just said some personal things about family abuse, I was feeling touchy and I had thought later when I reread the blogs I had taken things out of context I guess not.  I apologized and everything and you come back with creepy sexual attacks.  See I should trust my first instinct.

[sick of child torture girl]

Wow, what a cool repsonse, you are clearly very well educated and passionate. But I dont think that is what coverguard meant..i doubt it That just doesnt make sense.
What covergurad meant is very hard to follow...i  think thats why Zen made that reponse about you being a cabaret singer just becasue its so ludicous..do they even have cabarets now adays?


so cover what did yuo mean?

[Anonymous]

the other people on this blog seem ok, I really didn't mean to be horribly rude, blogs always get so smutty and digress enormously.  Strip club guy, you I meant to be rude to, Good God. I think only people with relevant things to say about actual experiences from PV or in relation to teen abuse should write, no gossiping, the situation is far to serious for that, there are real teenagers in PV now, not to mention the rest of the foster care system and the juvenile justice system, a fifteen year old just hung himself in JuV, and he was in for something small.  Anyone out of the Village will tell you, while in the Village, if given the chance it might have been an option, PV is that bad.  One of the girls I was in will jumped out of a car on the highway on a return trip back to the Village, she had a broken hip and arm and was one big road burn.  That is not the reaction one has to a therapeutic environment?  Not to mention other teen behavioral modification facilities where many of the kids never see a judge or get to have a lawyer or anything.  There’s lot’s of relevant stuff.  Women and girls in bad situations are inevitably almost molested or raped, it is horrible for them to have to face sexual prejudice as well.  Perhaps people in Denmark or where ever you are from do not talk frankly about things like rape and molestation but women with an interest in sociology and women’s studies have to, as they are a so all encompassing fact in many ways.   You are male and do not have to deal as much with such things, suspend your own ego trip for a minute and have some empathy, I still not sure it comes with testosterone.
The drugs they give the kids are also relevant, has anyone looked any of them up.  It’s like a guide to poisons.  Lithium eats your liver, Adderall, the ADD medicine is an amphetamine!, Actually an amphetamine and that’s it, the stuff is a combination of amphetamine and dextro-amphetamine and ADD or ADHD is the one of the most common and rising psychiatric diagnosis for children and teens, look up Adderall and then go to the drug facts page.  Also pharmaceutical companies are allowed to send your doctor on fun Caribbean trips to learn about promoting their drugs, and they beat the girls in the Village for smoking pot!  Irony sucks. But I’m done, I have exams coming up, you can call me what you please I’m going to have a college degree, my life’s in under my control! Say what you please I’m tough.  And it make’s you look worse than me.  If we were anywhere i could sue you for sexual harassment though, you better believe I would in a heartbeat, some things, like sexual abuse, verbal or non women should not have to tolerate.  And yes sexual harassment, is sexual abuse.

[Anonymous]

seriously what did you mean by me "working where you drink"? If I misconstrued that I'll eat my hat.  Or I'll blame it on a language barrier.  Seriously I'm not usually an angry ranter I swear, maybe the ranting part, can I just go back and start over again, :roll:  ops: I'm running away for exams week sorry sorry sorry.   :wink:

[Anonymous]

I know zen agent was asking about what covergaard, meant and was not saying anything rude, really I did not find the rest of the blogs bad after I read them in proper sequential order and such, covergaards wasn't bad, I was embarassed after I read them in order and didn't just pick out things as I skimed backwards, feeling defensive.  ops:  That sounds random and dumb, but being human it's what I did.  
Seriously sorry, I don't talk to people about my problems with my family, I just thought it was relevant as far as where you go after a place like PV, and how PV empowers abusive families.  I was reading an interesting article in the New York Times about what happens to kids in the foster care system after they are droped by it at eighteen as well, they have it worse than me by far.  I swear I can be a non random angry feminist snotty kook, and in my normal life I'm not like this at all.  Perhaps it's the whole being honest and anonymous thing, I really never talk about anything, and I have to be so careful around here, sorry.  Vulnerability apparently makes me defensive, or something.  I read a lot too, don't know what happened here, brain fart or something, going to run away now God bless.

[hanzomon4]

Well don't feel bad about being frustrated or possibly reading something the wrong way. Say whatever you feel comfortable saying and don't worry about our perceptions or judgments. I'm sure you have lots to say and I'd like to hear it.  

This is fornits, speak your mind............

[Covergaard]

At no point have I written that I find being a topless dancer a second-rate job. It is a job - period. It is better than being unemployed.

In Denmark we have a lot of small places performing in what you will call off-off-off-broadway. The scene is suddenly moved among the spectators. You have to turn and twist your head to keep on with the play. Sometimes they have clothes on - sometimes not. Also Ballet have been performed by naked people on a very high level.

As I can understand, did Abigails collegemoney go to PV, so there was not very much left when she became 18. And regardless of the torment PV put her through, she went on and started on an education, where a lot of people would have given up. Education is not free, so she took a job. What is wrong with that?

In England they are discussing the long-term effect of Brat Camp 3, where the scene of abuse was Aspen Achievement Academy. Lydia - one of the girls is also a showdancer, another is pregnant at 17. Failures? No. Because the first one took on a job and the other one a huge responsibility. The only failure I can see, is the girl who could not take to return to society and asked to be locked up (Her mother sold her house so she could answer the daugthers request).

But what I can tell for sure is that PV is a failure, when it comes to placing children there, who has not committed a crime. Locking people up calls for a court and a sentence. It is inhumane to lock people up otherwise.

As for PV being a failure compared to stick convicted people there rather than a normal prison, you have to ask yourself if the person just released from PV is better prepared for society than a person from a prison. What kind of plan for returning to society does an prison offer in that state?

I can give an example. In Denmark it is about 37-45 percent of the entire prison population, who is released for 3 days in relationship with christmas. (We can not measure any increase in crimes because we do that.) How is it in Tennessee?

[Anonymous]

It's kind of bad in Tennessee.  Although your sex industry sounds much more charming.  Is abigail a stripper now, that would put the comment in context.  Today in my class we had a discussion about sexism, it was telling, we ended up talking about how a woman who is drunk can change her mind after the fact and get you arrested.  This is what the guys did with a discussion of sexism.  I asked, "well did she say no?" and "was she moving around much"  I think it's legally relevant.  As I understand it the woman has to either say no, or be pretty incapacitated, did you try to get her drunk, is also relevant.  Got to love the date where the guy keeps trying to get you to down shots of Giegermister. "Come on what are you a (*&(&", he bellows. Grunt.  but anyhoo.    And also how, thanks to the Duke rape case, women who report having been sexually assaulted more than once must be lying hookers.  I was in a five year relationship and the first guy I went out with afterwards tried to maul me, One date in five years, and the normal looking guy, mauls me when I tell him, "No, I'm not ready to kiss you yet."  Of course I must be a hooker right. Because I was assaulted as a teenager too, does it count when they just maul you and you get away, that's happened more than once too? Cute huh.  There is a lot of sexual prejudice in this country, the T.V. is rank with it.  Also oddly, but not really, many things on T.V. imply exotic dancers are cool and fun, not desperate and on drugs and therefore probably open to selling your kidney for fifty bucks.  Some of them are not going to land you a vat of ice I have heard, but it's a very bad industry, and strip clubs here, are on the side of the road.  In this town the strip club is actually called the Bus stop, because it's right next to the bus station.  How’s that for irony. The T.V. is very strange in this country, I have my doubts as to its legitimacy, has anyone else noticed a sort of dragnet bent towards portraying poor, or anyone less than the ubber ideal American, as toothless white trash with cops, I think it has it's pretty racist moments too. It almost tells stupid people what to say.  It certainly doesn't make you want to vote democrat. Lot's of anti drug stuff which is ok I suppose, as long as it is stated as such and not just propaganda.  I don't know what the hell is up with "stripper" culture on T.V.  I do know it makes hiring an exotic dancer seem ok, if you are a goofy frat boy, which, obviously from the Duke case, it is not.  The Duke case is big right now here.  It's amazing what people do with it, and if you were some girl who had been sexually assaulted, on a psych level it would not make you want to speak out about it.  There are still lots of things like, "well what were you doing alone with him"  I love that one, and of course "well you were drinking"  God forbid you smoked pot or something, then you really can't tell.  The T.V. totally keeps the sexual prejudices in firm place as well as all the working class folks in their jobs, can't be like drunk toothless bob, It's every channel seriously, maybe I'm just like those Gieco cavemen, which in itself has racist overtones, think real hard on social Darwinism.  I think it's just stupid white male culture, “I don't have to be PC“, "she didn't love me, but this stupid worthless sluty women who fullfills my fantasy of what that bitch I couldn't have was like, I can buy and abuse?" "With all my anger towards women overall or something?"  Maybe sex slaves are just fun.   not any real racism I hope.  I like the Geico commercial about women too, the one, " Or you can just get your spouse to do it,"  Very relevant considering the historical status of women, in stupid white male land. That bitch/ho was just using me. But the Gieco commercials are nothing I shouldn't even refer to them.  How to describe sexual prejudice, it's horrible, I wish you'all could just see it from my perspective.  The T.V. teaches prejudice of a bunch of sorts and how to please your misogynistic man of course.  I'm not picking on strippers I'm just saying it's a horrible industry and the women are desperate and desperate people are nuts.  I don't even want to think what their daily life must be like.

[Anonymous]

Did you actually say being a stripper is not a second rate job, good God?!  Are you insane or just completely disconnected from human suffering. Jesus Christ man.  What a whacked out thing to say.  Women really don't like being prostitutes you know?  It's scary to think that if I don't finish college that men like you are going to be higher up than me. I've worked in retail for a while, and the labor laws are really bad here too.  Locally there are no laws protecting how many days in a row you can work and how many hours you can work in a day.  The only protection is the famous forty hour work week, but the forty hour work week starts back over at 0 on Sunday and each work week stands alone, look it up, in my state they are bad.  Therefore, if you work in retail, which is open seven days a week, you can work far more than forty hours in a row and not get any overtime, or a day off.  While working a in a local department store, as the nice little shop girl, I worked ten days in a row, and twelve hours in one day, no lie, I swear. They also like to hire you as part time, so they can keep your wages low and not give you health benefits, then they work you thirty hours a week or more, so just under full time.  It's a cute trick.

[ZenAgent]

Why did you say "I work while you drink"?  He was talking about Abigail.  "Exotic dancer" is a better description than stripper, don't you agree?

[Covergaard]

Yes, I wrote that I don't find that kind of job second-rate. I don't finance it by watching it, but I can understand why women and men takes these jobs.

I worked for 7 years in a shop 40-50 hours per week(Computershop: Commodore C64, C128 etc. First generation PC's DOS 2.11 and higher). I saw a colleague die from a heart attack 2 meters from me 4 days before christmas (He had a wife and a child), another colleague quit his job and went home to a necktie party, a third one had a nervous breakdown. Dont tell me about how it is to work in a shop.

Several times the customers (parents) went berserk when our supplier did not deliver the christmas gifts for their children in time. Sometime we got beaten (No policereport. In Denmark we have a say: Money does not smell. A professional shop assistant should be able to close the deal regardless of how many insults etc. the customer had used during the buy.) Regardless of my experiences I dont think that being a shop-assistant is a second-rate job. It was a job, that I had to take, but it taught me things that I can use today.

Dancing for people is not sleeping with them. Good security can prevent them from being touched by their customers like I had to endure. Due to my size I only got hit twice during the seven years and they were quick to apologize when they realized what they had done in a heated moment.

The problem with your judgement toward the job of a stripper is that you think they sleep with the customers. Most of them don't in my country.

My CV http://www.carstenovergaard.dk/cv_uk.htm

[Anonymous]

I meant that the labor laws are bad, and retail is not a high paying or secure job, and the hours are long and demanding, there also is a revolving door hiring policy.  Working in retail I know too, you have to have nice clothes, although they don't pay you much, and look very clean cut and speak well.  Sales is something of an odd job choice for the abused as well, it's hard to talk to strangers.  Sales is hard in general.   My family is pretty well off.  I have that support, at least.
 I don't think strippers sleep with people, but I’m pretty sure the job itself is really extremely bad.  I’ve been in a strip club once out of curiosity and I was appalled, for some reason I thought the women were on a stage like at least a few feet from the men, but they were right on the floor practically, with all these horrible creepy guys.  My feet stuck to the floor and it looked like hell.  As a man I don’t think most guys know what it’s like to have to deal with sexual assault and advances and harassment.   The women are naked too, and look sick a lot of them. I felt very bad for those women, again I’m not sure testosterone and empathy mix.  The thought of someone being turned on by that situation is pretty horrible.  I don’t know how a girl, after going through the Village, could work in a place like a strip club and then go on to have a safe ordinary life.  I’m afraid she would have trouble breaking through all the sexual prejudice, I would advise her not to tell people, as well as the effects of years of psychological damage.   if you did not have other training, especially if you were out of a place like the village and started using drugs or something and were young it would be hard told hold down a retail job and if you didn’t have parents around to bail you out then what.  Men around you often think strip clubs are a far better idea as a job choice than they are in reality.  If some young woman was or is a stripper, I would say try don’t let me depress you, just don’t tell anyone and get on with your life, you can tell a few people maybe, but I have found with telling people about things like the Village, many peoples reactions are not what you would hope.  Just don’t let anyone get in the way of what you are doing unless they have a gun or something.  If they say something just keep walking, and unless they fire you just keep working, and with school get good grades and you are safe, otherwise you are meat right.  Isn’t that nice.  
 As for the nice clothes, just buy five long sleeve work shirts and some cargo pants, never say anything controversial  bland is good. Never swear, or do anything any one could cast you in a negative light about.  I guess if your on drugs it gets harder, it's hard enough to be at work early,  I believe many women in strip clubs on are serious drugs even if they were not when they started working at one. I don't mean to cast strippers in a negative light.  I just think strip clubs are much worse places for women to be in, much less to be in naked than your average  male seems to think.  It's a very serious world out there really when it comes down to it.   Especially as far as economics and sexism go.  I don't think strippers make very much money either, but I'm about done talking about strippers, speaking of ways things digress.

[Anonymous]

so Abigail is a stripper now, that's horrible.  I need to read the book, I have it but I know it will upset me so I keep  putting it off. On a positive, life can go on after hell note, this very nice, ordinary looking, thirty year old I was in school with had been a stripper and she had her degree and was marrying the physics professor, she was nice and doing fine and she talked about all sorts of weird stuff, like she didn't have to hide forever of anything.   She was a long ways out of it of course, and already had a college degree.  The physics professor was thirty five or so and she was thirty so that wasn't anything. So if anyone out of PV is working in a strip club don’t jump off a bridge or anything. Please.  Usually when you jump off a bridge you just break your hip or something and then you have chronic hip pain and can't stand and you loose your job and it just makes life that much worse.  There is so much beauty in life, nature and such, people I don't know about. Who cares about the jerks, There by the grace of God, who apparently isn't fair or an interventionist, go all of us.

[Anonymous]

on the other hand, out of the top five groups of people I would not want to have to spend fifteen minutes in a room with , strippers most likely would make the list, sorry, and considering this list would also probably include despotic dictators and a maurauding hoard or two that's not saying a lot for the charm of strippers. Some people out of any group are very nice others are scary as hell.  The entire sex industry is really bad I think and should be avoided if one does not want to be mugged. I feel bad for the nice ones. and I see how you could be there, it's not an easy world, especially out of the Village.