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The Troubled Teen Industry / Diamond Ranch Academy
« on: August 04, 2003, 11:25:00 PM »
What is the "Real Life Transition Program TM"? Something a parent would order for their child?

First visit with child after 6 or 7 months?

Hmm, no calls for 3 weeks?

Well, I am going to have to read some more about this. BBL....


MG8 :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / ACRONYM SOUP, or how to run everyone off...
« on: August 01, 2003, 10:59:00 PM »
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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My Dream, Y'alls New Nightmare
« on: July 28, 2003, 11:35:00 AM »
click on the partnering non-profits link on the left....

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 27, 2003, 10:24:00 PM »
OK, so now that you have insulted the people that know better, why should we acknowledge you anymore? What were you doing when your child was becoming a drug abuser? Where were you? Do you think you have all the answers by sending your child to the spawn of the world's most NOTORIOUS drug rehabilitation program known to mankind?
The only clues you apparently have are the ones you get coming in here and reading what it's like from a survivor's perspective.
I would NEVER put my kids in a STRAIGHT, INC. spawn program, EVER! I teach them to avoid drugs, give them reasons to be happy in their lives without drugs. Parents that put their kids in programs like Pathway are looking for reasons to justify their lack of attention earlier in their kid's life. You'll probably think this is laying a "guilt trip" on you or something, but, back to my earlier question, what were YOU doing when your kid was abusing drugs? I would hope that you did not offer drugs to your kid, but, you are anonymous and we have never met, so I have no idea about your parenting history.
It would apppear that you won't have to worry about Pathway much longer anyway, so maybe you should move on with your life too. Come back in 5-10 years and let us know how your kid is doing. I have personally talked to over 150 survivors of STRAIGHT, Pathway, LIFE, SAFE, Synanon, Kids Helping Kids, Kids of New Jersey, and I have found only 5 that have not used any drugs since their stays in those programs. This does not mean that there aren't more that haven't, but I only speak from MY experience. Did you do any research into the suicides? I guess you haven't, but that is a real issue that affects people, even in Pathway.
Well, please answer that where were you when question. Thank you.

MG8 :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 26, 2003, 10:54:00 PM »
Ah, but what about the Amish? They don't watch TV do they? I think it does not apply to them, as they are in a niche all by themselves, but, did they ever fight for the Independence? Anti? You know? I know they are strict about radios and TV's and the like. You may see them having one of them hodowns round here, of course some have Big tractors that hog one and a half lanes, but, I guess they gotta keep up with the times somehow.

MG8 :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / My meeting with Mrs. Row
« on: July 26, 2003, 08:09:00 PM »
Hi EMSR, check your Private Messages please.

I would still want to be sure they don't close up shop and move across town as another STRAIGHT, INC spawn. We shall see, though. STRAIGHT claimed not to have money too, BUT BUT BUT, we all know otherwise. Well, great job on that meeting. Any chance like that is good to take. I had some anxious moments when I interviewed the former Regional Director of STRAIGHT, INC. and the Director of The STRAIGHT FOUNDATION.

Kudos EMSR! ::cheers::


MG8 ::deal::  :smokin:

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Open Free for All / Professor! Skipper! Mr Howell! Come quick!!!!
« on: July 26, 2003, 10:34:00 AM »
Did you get to see the fire in the Tower? I heard there was a fire there, just wondered if you was around. What's in London? Thats a long way from home aint it?
 My grandparents went there back in the 70s. Took a train ride that followed the same tracks as when my grandpa was in WW1.

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 26, 2003, 12:17:00 AM »
OK, well, you are right, there was no TV back in 1700's, so I guess it's not an inherent right of a child to be able to watch TV. I figured since it has been the norm for over 50 years, that most kids watch at least one show or cartoon in their parents house. I know, as a 21 year old client way back in 1983 on first phase in STRAIGHT, INC., I was not allowed to watch TV, listen to the radio, read a newspaper, road signs, or a shampoo bottle for that matter. I was 21, not a minor.

What about the questions I asked concerning court ordered clients? If you don't know, that's fine.

 I do have one last question for you, or whoever knows. If you, as a parent of a client there at Pathway refer another family who actively participates in the program, do you get paid any money for that? Some call it a finders fee or bounty.


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 25, 2003, 05:16:00 PM »
Well, lets see now. First phasers are not allowed to watch TV. Hmmm, seems like the national average of households that have TV's is pretty high. Did you have a TV to watch or was it turned off while hosting first phasers? The TV thing bothers me because as citizens of the USA, there is whats left of the First Amendment, enough to allow a minor, no matter what state, to watch it. Many of the brainwashing techniques used by cults like STRAIGHT, INC. included censorship of TV, Radio, etc etc... Maybe Pathway will change that rule, who knows. Certainly neither you nor I can predict that now. I appreciate the answers you give so far. Except for the name calling, I see that you are at least willing to talk about this. The only way Pathway works is the STRAIGHT, INC way. It is called a treatment modality. Facades can be erected there, but the modality still exists. When it is possible, I would suggest that you read about Synanon, talk to some of the survivors of that church. They are on the net, just search you'll find them. Learning about this modality may help you understand the FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS of Pathway and all the other programs spawned from STRAIGHT, INC, etc etc... This whole Pathway situation is not a bogus issue at all. In fact, you could ask Pathway why they are making several changes recently. They may tell you something you did not hear when your child was intaked. A few last questions... During your tenure as a program parent, how many clients were court ordered? How long was your program. (My parents were told, at STRAIGHT, INC., 6 months but it ended up being nearly 2 years) What about non-court ordered clients? Did you feel threatened or something? Was the alarm policy your idea or was that part of the program rules? Do you have any Pathway documents that you would like to share with me regarding this situation? I will respect your anonymity if you wish.  


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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 25, 2003, 12:57:00 AM »
Jeez, now you call me a liar. That is not nice. I only asked you if you had a license to run a foster home in your state. How is asking a question lying?  :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 24, 2003, 03:45:00 PM »
Pathway's hosting policies are not a bogus issue. OK, you are in MI, however, Pathway is not only doing business in MI. Getting your facts should include all of Pathway branches. Also, are those children that you are hosting, or have hosted in your home, there willingly? I would caution any host parent that thinks just because the child is in their home according to Pathway rules and policies, that they are immune to laws concerning holding persons against their will etc. The first phasers could best answer that question.
Was your home altered in any way for the expected arrival of children not related to you but in your care there according to Pathway guidelines? Can you speak for all of the clients? Do you know if all of the clients get moved around often enough to satisfy the law?
 
As my Phillip Morris bumper sticker reads: I am a proud American smoker.  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 24, 2003, 02:46:00 AM »
Uh oh, that's the same thing my parents said 20 years ago. You just go on thinkin your life is great. In your mind, it probably is. Give it some time. In the meantime check out the 42 names of STRAIGHT, INC, KIDS Of New Jersey, etc etc...  suicide victims when you get some time. It is rather compelling.

BTW, Do or did you have a foster parent license issued by your state (MI, or IN) while hosting kids in Pathway? I tend to believe that you did/do not. Please, do tell... If you did not host kids... then... the rule is that at least your kid hosts at another house until a certain phase or level has been attained. Did those parents have state licenses to do that? Be honest please.


MG8 :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 23, 2003, 06:26:00 PM »
I would have to agree with Carmel that you are skirting, and it is not our responsibility to find you a treatment program that works. My responsibility is to witness Pathway's closure and make sure that they do not change names and move somewhere else as another STRAIGHT, INC relative. Along with all the other programs like it out there, Pathway has chosen to remain open, make a couple superficial "changes" and continued doing business, at best temporarily I hope. The Regional Director of STRAIGHT, INC. who was also the Director of Straight Foundation and a doctor of education, mind you, told me flat out that he didn't know of any treatment program that works. It's not up to the program, it's up to the individual. You see your car broken, ok, so you get some money to the mechanic and its fixed. Cars dont think for themselves. People do. Just because you pay someone to "fix" your kid is no guarantee it will happen.
Either way, pulling out of Pathway would be a good start!  :smokin:

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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Changes at Pathway?
« on: July 23, 2003, 02:13:00 AM »
Quote
On 2003-07-22 20:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Nakid,

       I believe your feelings are valid for you to have. The feelings belong to you and that fact alone make them so. Just as my feelings are valid to me. Can you list some of the programs you would have actively participated in and believe would have worked for you and paused the insanity in your own home? Can you list some of the programs that you believe would have had the full participation of your parents to work on their issues?I ask this question of others and all I get is another smokescreen that never gives a reasonable reply.... they just vent about something else to try to take away the focus.Also, thank you for at least admitting  that drugs or alcohol was a problem for you. When I read Carmel's comments, I come away with the idea that only a couple of people who ever went to Pathway had a problem. The majority were conjured up.This may have been true for her stay with Straight but I have no clue how she knows what goes on at Pathway. It surely doesn't jive with anyone I know in the program there. Could you comment without giving details how many kids were in Pathway who you truely believe did not have a problem with problem solving which involved drugs or alcohol as an escape? Nice to see honesty in what you have to say. It is refreshing. For me it is hard to look at issues that may be valid when so much fake issues are raised as a smoke screen because someone wants a scapegoat for why they are not happy in life."


Pathway is the smokescreen and you have no clue why. When you have 20 years of experience living with ramifications of the treatment modality used on you at Pathway, then you will have more wisdom with which to make an educated statement.
The scapegoats are the kids that are there now. Wake up and smell the coffee there, anonymous.


MG8 :smokin:

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Coldwater the Movie
« on: July 22, 2003, 10:51:00 PM »
Carey, I would like to state my opinion about this fiction/real life thing. In order to have a movie that is not fiction, I believe ALL footage would have to take place inside one or more of these programs or camps. I think that any other form of filming would be considered fiction legally speaking. This film is based on a true story and actual events. I doubt if most people are too worried about fiction/non-fiction. When they hear about the movie, they will be interested in watching it. They will also be in shock when they leave the theater.


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