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There are some who claim to have the symptoms of ADD and ADHD just to get the amphetamines for use as recreational drugs. Too many children are being given speed for no reason. It's outrageous.

This police officer is asking for everyone who receives this email
>to forward it to everyone in their address book, even Law
>Enforcement Officers.
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>DUSTING
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>First I'm going to tell you a little about me and my family. My name
>is Jeff. I am a police officer for a city which is known nationwide
>for its crime rate. We have a lot of gangs and drugs.  At one point
>we were # 2 in the nation in homicides per capita. I also have a
>police K-9 named Thor. He was certified in drugs and general duty.
>Thor retired at 3 years old because he was shot in the line of duty.
>He lives with us now and I still train with him because he likes it.
>  I always liked the fact that there was no way to bring drugs into
>my
>house. Thor wouldn't allow it. He would tell on you.
>
>The reason I say this is so you understand that I know about drugs.
>I have taught in schools about drugs. My wife asks all our kids at
>least once a week if they used any drugs. Makes them promise they
>won't.
>
>I like building computers occasionally and started building a new
>one in February 2005. I also was working on some of my older
>computers. They were full of dust so on one of my trips to the
>computer store I bought a 3-pack of DUST OFF.  Dust Off is a can of
>compressed air to blow dust off a computer. A few weeks later when I
>went to use them they were all used.  I talked to my kids and my 2
>sons both said they had used them on their computer and messing
>around with them. I yelled at them for wasting the
>10 dollars I paid for them.  On February 28, I went back to the
>computer store. They didn't have
>the   3-pack which I had bought on sale so I bought a single jumbo
>can of Dust Off. I went home and set it down beside my computer.  On
>March 1st I left for work at 10:00 pm. At 11:00 pm my wife went down
>and kissed Kyle goodnight. At 5:30 am the next morning Kathy went
>downstairs to wake Kyle up for school, before she left for work. He
>was sitting up in bed with his legs crossed and his head leaning
>over. She called to him a few times to get up. He didn't move.  He
>would sometimes tease her like this and pretend he fell back asleep.
>  He was never easy to get up. She went in and shook his arm. He
>fell
>over. He was pale white and had the straw from the Dust Off can
>coming out of his mouth. He had the new can of Dust Off in his
>hands.
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>Kyle was dead.
>
>I am a police officer and I had never heard of this. My wife is a
>nurse and she had never heard of this. We later found out from the
>coroner, after the autopsy, that only the propellant from the can of
>Dust Off
>was in his system. No other drugs. Kyle had died between midnight
>and 1:00 am.
>
>I found out that using Dust Off is being done mostly by kids ages 9
>through 15. They even have a name for it. It's called dusting. A
>take off from the Dust Off name. It gives them a slight high for
>about 10 seconds.
>It makes them dizzy.
>
>A boy who lives down the street from us showed Kyle how to do this
>about a month before. Kyle showed his best friend. Told him it was
>cool and it couldn't hurt you. It's just compressed air. It can't
>hurt you. His best friend said no.
>
>Kyle's death taught us two things:
>
>1. Kyle was wrong.
>It's not just compressed air. It also contains a propellant. I think
>it's R2. It's a refrigerant like what is used in your refrigerator.
>It is a heavy gas. Heavier than air. When you inhale it, it fills
>your lungs and keeps the good air, with oxygen, out. That's why you
>feel dizzy, buzzed.  It decreases the oxygen to your brain, to your
>heart.
>
>
>
>2. Kyle was right.
>It can't hurt you. IT KILLS YOU. The horrible part about this is
>there is no warning. There is no level that kills you. It's not
>cumulative or an overdose; it can just go randomly, terribly wrong.
>Roll the dice and if
>your number comes up you die. IT'S NOT AN OVERDOSE. It's Russian
>roulette.  You don't die later. Or not feel good and say I've had
>too much. You usually die as your breathing it in. If not you die
>within  2  seconds of finishing "the hit." That's why the straw was
>still in Kyle's mouth when he died. Why his eyes were still open.
>
>The experts want to call this huffing. The kids don't believe it's
>huffing.  As adults we tend to lump many things together. But it
>doesn't fit here and that's why it's more accepted. There is no
>chemical reaction, no strong odor. It doesn't follow the huffing
>signals.  Kyle complained a few days  before he died of his tongue
>hurting. It probably did. The propellant causes frostbite. If I had
>only known. It's easy to say, "Hey, its my life and I'll do what I
>want." But it isn't. Others are always affected. This has forever
>changed our family's life.  I have a hole in my heart and soul that
>can never be fixed. The pain is so immense I cant describe it.
>There's nowhere to run from it.
>
>I cry all the time and I don't ever cry. I do what I'm supposed to
>do but  I don't really care. My kids are messed up. One won't talk
>about it.  The other will only sleep in our room at night. And my
>wife, I can't even describe how bad she is taking this.
>
>I thought we were safe because of Thor. I thought we were safe
>because we knew about drugs and talked to our kids about them.
>
>After Kyle died another story came out. A probation officer went to
>the school system next to ours to speak with a student. While there
>he found a student using Dust Off in the bathroom. This student told
>him about
>another student who also had some in his locker.  This is a rather
>affluent school system. The school will tell you they don't have a
>drug problem there. They don't even have a dare or plus program
>there. So rather than tell everyone about this "new" way of getting
>high they found, they hid it.  The probation officer told the media
>after Kyle's death and they, the school, then admitted to it. I know
>that if they would have told the media and I had heard, Dust Off
>wouldn't have been in my house. We need to get this out of our homes
>and school computer labs.  Using Dust Off isn't new and some
>"professionals" do know about. It just isn't talked about much,
>except by the kids. They know about it.
>
>April 2nd was 1 month since Kyle died. April 5th would have been his
>15th  birthday. And every weekday I catch myself sitting on the
>living room couch at 2:30 pm in the afternoon and waiting to see him
>get off the bus.  I know Kyle is in heaven but I can't help but
>wonder If I died and went to hell.

Pass this on - I didn't know anything about this myself.....

One need only search BRAT CAMP and numerous WWASP, ASPEN, THAYER and other sites appear. Of course they will use the ABC program to their advanatage and they will profit from it. As a result of the proliferation more abuse of all types, injuries and deaths will occure. Some day it will all be exposed.

In responce to bandit who asked about encouraging moderation in alcohol consumption - moderation management. True alcoholics can not drink at all - that's why they are alcoholics. It just doesn't work. A true alcoholic will keep drinking until they are DRUNK - that's why moderation doesn't work. I learned a lot about it because my own child became an alcoholic.
It only takes a female 2 drinks to trigger the alcoholic gene - it takes a male only 3 drinks to trigger the gene.

I thought the same - I asked her "why can't you just have one beer or a glass of wine - why do you have to get so inebriated that you loose consciousness."  This comment showed my utter ignorance about the disease that has ruined so many lives. I would have been happy if she could have just had one drink - but she would continue drinking until she passed out.  People who are alcoholic can't just have one drink.  It wont stop there. You need to do some more research about the disease before you encourage true alcoholics to use "moderation management."

AA will not cure alcoholism. One man at an AA meeting said, " There's good news and bad news. The good news is there's a cure for alcoholism. The bad news is - you are the cure." AA does give a lot of support to people who feel all alone.  It sure helped my child - while residential treatment did absolutely nothing except scare the hell out of her.  
Here are the benefits:
1) Support of people in the same boat
2) good advice from others who have quit drinking
3) support for families of alcoholics
4) an outlet to share your story with people who will not judge you - because they have the same problems.
5) IT's FREEEEEEEEEE
6) It has helped many people stay sober

I wont even get into the power of prayer and trusting in a higher power - but it works for many people....just because it doesn't work for everyone doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.

There's no way out for the alcoholic - encouraging them to drink moderately is not the answer.  The only way for them to be cured is to completely stay away from alcohol.... It's the only cure. Obviously one of the posters here quit on his own - bravo.  What works for one doesn't necessarily work for all.  Congratulations to you.....doing it solo is quite an accomplishment.    :wave:  :tup:

Just like to add that every doctor and therapist I know suggests AA to their patients.  The 12 step program can work - if one does it.  It's just like weight watchers - you can loose weight if you follow the program.
The problem with most alcoholics is they can't even reach step one - admitting they are an alcoholic.  
Alcohol is no one's friend.  It will make you feel good and then leave you feeling depressed and sick the next day.  I've seen too many young men die as a result.  They come in confused with abdomens distending out like they are ready to give birth. Their skin is yellow and their livers are shot.  I've seen men in their 30's and 40's die. It's a serious problem in our society.

I support AA because I saw how it helped bring my child back. I think it works.[ This Message was edited by: RN on Board on 2005-05-17 10:44 ]

Children in RTC's do have rights - but those rights are circumvented and children are abused daily. The only time we hear about it is when one of them dies. Surely there were others treated with the same brutality and negligence - they just lived to tell. Whenever a child dies we hear the same things - "we thought they were faking it" or " they were totally out of control and we had to do this for our safety - yada yada."

Because children in RTC's are cut off from the outside world this type of institutional abuse with continue.  All must demand that RTC's have pay phone, daily visitation hours and phone hours. All children must be allowed to see and talk to parents and family.  This is not only therapeutic but necessary.

State probes boy's death at outdoor camp
Center's risky punishment cited

By JILL YOUNG MILLER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/06/05
Counselors at a state-run camp for troubled youngsters held a 13-year-old Douglas County boy facedown on the ground for an hour and a half before he stopped breathing and later died, state records show.

The counselors subdued Travis Parker using a hold that has been banned by the state Department of Juvenile Justice because officials there consider it too dangerous.

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Travis, who had asthma, died on April 21, the day after he was restrained by at least three counselors at the Appalachian Wilderness Camp, an outdoor therapeutic program in Cleveland, in the North Georgia mountains.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is looking into the matter, and the results of an autopsy are pending, said GBI spokesman John Bankhead.

The boy was "placed in a full basket restraint due to his acting out behavior," according to a Department of Juvenile Justice report obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution under the Open Records Law.

The Juvenile Justice Department doesn't allow its workers to use the hold. "We don't use any holds that could possibly restrict a child's ability to breathe," said Bill Reilly, the agency's chief of staff.

The camp is one of two operated by the state Department of Human Resources. Troubled children aged 6 to 17 are placed there from a variety of sources, including the juvenile justice system and mental health programs. On average, the children stay less than 12 months.

Reilly said that his department had been assured by DHR officials that the facedown restraint would no longer be used on children at the wilderness camp.

The DHR refused to discuss the case, but a department spokeswoman said it allowed its employees to use the "basket restraint."

"Yes, that restraint is continuing to be used," said DHR spokeswoman Dena Smith, who said the department was reviewing the "application of the restraint, as well as all policy and procedures."

While the details of what happened the night Travis was restrained are sketchy, the Juvenile Justice Department's incident report suggests that counselors were trying to place the boy under control after an outburst.

The report says that boys at the camp began misbehaving at about 3 p.m. on April 20 and continued "acting out" until 10 p.m.

By then, 11 campers had missed their evening meal because of their behavior, the report said. When two campers were rewarded with food for being good, Travis "became enraged," the report said. A counselor grabbed him by his jacket, Travis resisted, and the counselor "put him in a full basket restraint." The report did not identify the counselor.

One counselor held Travis from behind, crossing the boy's arms against his chest, the report said. The boy "was taken to the ground, where another counselor was holding his legs and another counselor holding the hip area," the report said. "The camper is face down during the entire time."

A counselor told authorities that the boy had to be restrained after about 10 p.m., according to an incident report filed with the White County Sheriff's Department. The boy started having trouble breathing, and camp officials called 911.

Before an ambulance arrived, the boy quit breathing and staffers started CPR, the sheriff's report said. He was taken to a hospital in Gainesville and transferred to Children's Healthcare of Atlanta at Egleston. He died the next day.

Staff members at the wilderness camp have been put on administrative leave while the incident is investigated.

A Douglas County Juvenile Court judge committed Travis to juvenile justice custody after a community group recommended placing him in an outdoor therapeutic program, Reilly said. Being in the agency's custody expedites a child's placement in such a program.

Reilly was unsure why Travis was in court, but he said the boy had a history with juvenile justice authorities. He had his first brush with the law at about age 9, Reilly said.

Wilderness therapy programs take children who are addicted to drugs, in trouble with the law or out of control at home and school and put them in a primitive outdoor setting where they must learn to live and work together.

The Juvenile Justice Department has about 20 children at the camp, which has room for 50, Reilly said. Travis entered the camp in February, records show.

The boy lived in the small town of Winston with his grandmother. The boy's family members could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Peggy Walker, a Douglas County Juvenile Court judge who knew Travis and attended his funeral last week, was troubled by the circumstance that led to his death. "I'm very distressed that he would be restrained for an hour and a half."

"When we work with children, what we're trying to do is provide the assistance they need," the judge said. "Certainly the last thing that we want to do is to do harm."

? Staff writer Craig Schneider

contributed to this article.

What makes the fire danger worse is the fact that the facility is locked down.  In California residential facilities can not be locked. What type of abuse took place at Whitmore?

It seems that whenever a child has a problem at school they are almost automatically labled ADD. I have 10 year old boy. Very sweet, intelligent. He's disorganized at school and they are tyring to label him ADD.  I was just told by the school nurse that there are now four different types of ADD that have been identified. I told her that probably everyone alive has some degree of ADD then.