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Go back through my posts and you show me where Ive talked about laughing at kids in pain or inflicting pain? And maybe you miss the point. There are a lot of people that think all cops are bad and corrupt. That the military is bad because your job is to either kill people or to support someone that does. Are you throwing Outward Bound and NOLS into the mix? Are you throwing college prep schools into the mix? Youve never said where you draw the line. Or is it anyone thats being paid to take care of kids. Because it they take money, its a business and therefore its corrupt and only thinking about ways to steal more money from parents.

I hve been trying to piece things together from past posts Deborah. I dont know what your home life was like growing up and I dont know what your life was like married with children. Sounds like youve probably made some ungood choices. But most of your posts are pointing fingers at other people and condemning the for their mistakes. I dont get it - oh, I suppose I do. Youre still angry and pissed off and thats been gettng in the way of trying to resolve anything for yourself. I can relate to that. Looking at your posts, youve been angry since at least 2002. Guess its working for you.

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Its never too late to procrastinate[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-27 07:25 ]

I know what gets to me when I read your posts... your undying belief that all programs are bad. Not just the program you dealth with but all the other ones too. Thats up there with having a bad meal in a restaurant therefore all meals in all restaurants will be bad. But youre quick to get all over someone elses  shit if they say they had a good experience with a program. These arent the people that are preaching that all programs are good, just the one they used.

If you present the facts with the same tone you usually use on this board I think the parents would have a hard time listening to what you have to say Overlordd.

I try to not attach a judgement good or bad to my posts. I am describing the job. I never said what I did was "good" or "bad". My comment about smart kids isnt necessarily something with which I agree, its something Ive heard parents and therapists say. Does this help clarify. And why respond with something foolish like shaken baby and fetal alcohol syndrome? I guess I dont understand your point.

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Its never too late to procrastinate[ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-26 05:06 ]

You are correct about the running. If a kid wants to run Im notgoing to restrain them. I have asked kids  not to run at night because it was unsafe, to please wait until the morning. They agreed and thought things through and I suppose decided that maybe running wasnt the best idea. I tell kids to have a plan, to use some forethought. Why set yourself up for a life of running? So you run away from me, what comes next?

I had single sex groups and both sex groups. I had groups of twelve steppers. Every single group had kids from 14-17 years old, sometimes 18 too. After the first week kids were allowed to talk to one another but not unsupervised. eg. two kids werent allowed to go get water or firewood without an instructor with them. This policy protected both instructors and students. Another policy that was strongly enforced was that an instructor was never to be alone with a student. There was always to be another person present either student or instructor. Twosomes bad thressomes good. Individual instructors were never to have private conversations with students.

And programs are no different than jobs or school. If youre the new kid you look to the regulars to show you the ropes -whats ok, whats not ok. I tried to teach the kids that there were times when they would need to rely on someone else for help - just like life. And there would be times when you might need to help someone else out too. Just like life. I didnt pit kids against one another, but I did spend a lot of time trying to teach them to work together as a team.

And I agree, you are at a bit of a disadvantage when you wind up in a program. But then again, Ive dealt with some pretty awesome manipulators that had me tying myself in knots! Ill have to say that most of the kids Ive had in programs have been a helluva lot smarter than me.(and Im sure many are quick to add that I must be a dumbass for being a wilderness instructor.) And thats one of the reasons they wind up in a program - because theyre too damn smart for their own good.  [ This Message was edited by: Shortbus on 2005-08-25 21:55 ]

You dont list any sort of first aid. What training have you had that qualifys you to take care of other peoples children? Youve brought this up regarding wilderness therapy instructors and you should be able to provide the same level of safety for your charges. So what qualifies you to have children in your care?

So what qualifications do you need to be an assistant scoutmaster?