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Seriously.. it reminds me of talking to Scientologists. WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF, LAIN? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE? ...NO, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED ON OUR WATCH OR ANYTHING, WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ENTURBULATE PEOPLE?

etc etc etc

Kids who are sent to a wilderness program have pretty much abandoned the educational opportunities they had at home.  8 weeks or so without schooling is not the end of the world.

The kids can write freely and express their opinions.  They get in excellent physical condition and have a lot of pride in what they accomplish.  Those with serious addiction issues usually are not able to maintain sobriety after leaving the program if they go right home.  

The bunch of Mormons that run Second Nature are skilled, intelligent and caring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_act

Actually, *she* is living apart from parents and just finishing up high school (as I had been doing easily before the aforementioned kidnapping - my only crime was being sad).

There's a difference between being traumatized and/or paranoid and being traumatized and/or paranoid to the exclusion of all else.

Unless the kid is told the night before, that he is being escorted, there is no way he/she could react or be prepared from a dead sleep.


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And that, little droogie, is what my fighting knife and cell phone kept on my person at all times, makeshift alarm systems, abandoning sleep for catnaps and very much caffeine, and newfound knowledge of police protocol and legal systems is for.

The process can be dangerous, after all, and rest assured that if anyone ever tries to pull that shit again, someone WILL get hurt. ^.^

No, he wasn't. Much fun as urban legends are, he was never in the military and was actually too old to have served in 'Nam.

Get me in touch with these hundreds of pleased Second Nature families, if you would. I'd love to hear from them. Make sure the kids are in there too.

Yeah.. that sounds suspiciously like another cult: Scientology parishioners, whether professional auditors, Scientology Volunteer Ministers or one of the many millions of Scientologists belonging to groups, missions and churches around the world, continue to use the Scientology Creed on a daily basis to improve conditions in life.

Now, as anyone familiar with either that particular one or marketing techniques used by such can tell you, there aren't millions of scientologists. There aren't even 50,000. It's the same with 'pleased Second Nature families', only I would argue that those are probably even more a myth. The same argument applies here - show us the evidence. Given the mass of personal, professional, and researched thought against such programs, the burden of proof is with you. Give it your best shot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a41lJIhW7fA

Mr. Rogers opposes Tricky Dick Nixon's budget cutting for Vietnam... the good guys have to win sometimes, I guess.

Mr. Rogers... how rare is it to find someone who genuinely has nothing but good will in their interests?

Fuck Second Nature.

I sat through their sales, the duration of wilderness, their eve of transition lectures when the Mormons spout their craziness. They are run by Mormons. Look where they are located in the middle of nowwhere in Duchense, BumfuckUtah.

they told us that our daughter who didn't do drugs or drink, was straight-edge and therefore in DANGER. Straight-edge in Salt Lake City is a baaad thing apparently. Gangs are violent and most are straightedges in Mormon country didn't you know.  WTF? Also, if you don't eat meat in Second Nature you are labelled as a control freak/anorectic/eating disorder and need a TBS.  Therapy was once a week and otherwise young men or women are in charge of your child.

Thankfully, we got out of the cycle of kidnapping/wilderness/TBS, brainwashing.

Yeah.. that's the basic idea. Sometimes they come up with some ridiculous pretense for a problem as mentioned above.. sometimes if the parents buy into it they don't even go that far, just "they need it, now get us our referral cash!" And despite whatever they may say about their religious affiliations or lack thereof, they ARE Mormons and DO push that in their beliefs and practices.