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Offline Lain the Odd

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« Reply #180 on: December 31, 2007, 06:11:27 PM »
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Don't you think the parents have done every possible thing to try to help the kid before resorting to wilderness?  Don't you think the parents tried to keep the kid in school and salvage the education?
What part of THE KID WAS BLOWING SCHOOL are you not understanding? The ONLY hope at this point is the wilderness program which will get the kid back on track.  Taking incompletes or repeating a semester is a pretty minor hurdle compared to jail, death from overdose, being killed in a car wreck or some other similar fate.  Also, in many cases it IS a summer choice.
You guys are really grasping this time.


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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.

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« Reply #181 on: December 31, 2007, 07:29:49 PM »
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Don't you think the parents have done every possible thing to try to help the kid before resorting to wilderness?  Don't you think the parents tried to keep the kid in school and salvage the education?
What part of THE KID WAS BLOWING SCHOOL are you not understanding? The ONLY hope at this point is the wilderness program which will get the kid back on track.  Taking incompletes or repeating a semester is a pretty minor hurdle compared to jail, death from overdose, being killed in a car wreck or some other similar fate.  Also, in many cases it IS a summer choice.
You guys are really grasping this time.


The part where you're simply saying that kids blow off school before being sent to programs (not all do... I wouldn't even say most) and that somehow marching in the woods with sadistic manipulative mind-fucking uneducated nitwits will 'put them on track' is the part I don't understand  :-?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #182 on: December 31, 2007, 07:39:35 PM »
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Kids who are sent to a wilderness program have pretty much abandoned the educational opportunities they had at home.  8 weeks or so without schooling is not the end of the world.

Says who? Id love to see some proof about that. Ive heard of tons of kids escorted from school TO a program.

But then again you're just spewing nonsense anyway!

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The kids can write freely and express their opinions.  They get in excellent physical condition and have a lot of pride in what they accomplish.  Those with serious addiction issues usually are not able to maintain sobriety after leaving the program if they go right home.  

BULLSHIT. Prove it! EVERYTHING ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN IN SUCH A PROGRAM HAS EVER SAID, AND ALL VIDEO OF SUCH PROGRAMS CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU JUST SAID! LOL!

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The bunch of Mormons that run Second Nature are skilled, intelligent and caring.


Why is it all statements about people from programmed people reads like a fucking mad-lib?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #183 on: December 31, 2007, 08:05:05 PM »
Seriously.. it reminds me of talking to Scientologists. WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF, LAIN? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE? ...NO, WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIED ON OUR WATCH OR ANYTHING, WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO ENTURBULATE PEOPLE?

etc etc etc
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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.

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« Reply #184 on: January 01, 2008, 07:13:42 AM »
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You answer me how this can be legal, and then we can discuss schooling.


Lain, at some point you should tell us all what is not legal about the wilderness experience you put up there.  I read it twice and can not find it, its just about a bunch of kids hiking and learning how to keep each other safe, watching each others backs.  I dont think the shouting is illegal, a lot of kids get yelled at at home, unless it is one of those trick questions where they are all on illegal land or government land.
I dont think anyone else is going to guess at this point.
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« Reply #185 on: January 01, 2008, 07:46:47 AM »
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You answer me how this can be legal, and then we can discuss schooling.

Lain, at some point you should tell us all what is not legal about the wilderness experience you put up there.  I read it twice and can not find it, its just about a bunch of kids hiking and learning how to keep each other safe, watching each others backs.  I dont think the shouting is illegal, a lot of kids get yelled at at home, unless it is one of those trick questions where they are all on illegal land or government land.
I dont think anyone else is going to guess at this point.


They can learn the same belonging to the Crips and gain some valuable business skills at the same time.
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« Reply #186 on: January 01, 2008, 09:45:34 AM »
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8 weeks or so without schooling is not the end of the world.

if you miss 8 weeks you'll fail the entire semester which means you can't graduate on time with the rest of your class
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« Reply #187 on: January 01, 2008, 09:47:12 AM »
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You answer me how this can be legal, and then we can discuss schooling.

Lain, at some point you should tell us all what is not legal about the wilderness experience you put up there.  I read it twice and can not find it, its just about a bunch of kids hiking and learning how to keep each other safe, watching each others backs.  I dont think the shouting is illegal, a lot of kids get yelled at at home, unless it is one of those trick questions where they are all on illegal land or government land.
I dont think anyone else is going to guess at this point.


With statements like this, the who, and pro absuive cultists establish themselves as amoral, and incompetant criminality spokespeople
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« Reply #188 on: January 01, 2008, 10:21:27 AM »
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You answer me how this can be legal, and then we can discuss schooling.

Lain, at some point you should tell us all what is not legal about the wilderness experience you put up there.  I read it twice and can not find it, its just about a bunch of kids hiking and learning how to keep each other safe, watching each others backs.  I dont think the shouting is illegal, a lot of kids get yelled at at home, unless it is one of those trick questions where they are all on illegal land or government land.
I dont think anyone else is going to guess at this point.

With statements like this, the who, and pro absuive cultists establish themselves as amoral, and incompetant criminality spokespeople


I think we can take that as there is nothing illegal about it.



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« Reply #189 on: January 01, 2008, 10:35:04 AM »
Hey Tookie, what you doin here in da woods?

Checking out this here wilderness program I keep hearin ‘bout.  
Never seen so many trees in my life and I’ve been around for over 16 years now.  
What up with the guy in the yellow shirt?  Whats it say? “Staffâ€
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« Reply #190 on: January 01, 2008, 11:08:46 AM »
"I did it!! I did it!! Look at the blaze “Park Rangerâ€
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« Reply #191 on: January 01, 2008, 12:14:13 PM »
Okay... much as I dislike and disagree with The Who, I have to give credit for that.

As to the whole thing... keep in mind, i'm not the one talking about legality. I haven't bothered to look up specific Utah child abuse laws, as I don't plan on bringing up a suit - i've got some personal stuff that needs my money more. I think it's evil, manipulative and twisted, and I think trying to pin legality as a main issue sets you up as an amoral jerk (to say the least)... but I myself do not know anything about what's legal or not in this past the false imprisonment.
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Very soon now the drug will cause the subject to experience a deathlike paralysis together with deep feelings of terror and helplessness. One of our earlier test subjects described it as being like death. A sense of stifling and drowning.
And it is during this period that we have found the subject will make his most rewarding associations between his catastrophic experience and involvement with the violence he sees.

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« Reply #192 on: January 01, 2008, 12:57:16 PM »
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Okay... much as I dislike and disagree with The Who, I have to give credit for that.

As to the whole thing... keep in mind, i'm not the one talking about legality. I haven't bothered to look up specific Utah child abuse laws, as I don't plan on bringing up a suit - i've got some personal stuff that needs my money more. I think it's evil, manipulative and twisted, and I think trying to pin legality as a main issue sets you up as an amoral jerk (to say the least)... but I myself do not know anything about what's legal or not in this past the false imprisonment.


Well, there's the abduction, the false imprisonment, and the physical abuse. Forcing you to live in those conditions is illegal, at least if you don't do it under cover as "treatment".

 A man who forced his kid to sleep outside (in a tent) went to prison for abuse, as did a man who forced his kid to sleep in a dog house. Then there's the obvious emotional abuse involved. If your parents felt you did something wrong and invivting the neighborhood kids over to shame you....they would be in alot of trouble.
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« Reply #193 on: January 01, 2008, 03:44:41 PM »
It  appears lane that it is legal for programs to treat kids badly. I think the question is whether it is ethical?
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« Reply #194 on: January 01, 2008, 05:13:34 PM »
The kids at Second Nature are not treated badly.  I bet 99% of the kids would NOT make that claim.  They do some things outside their comfort zones.  In fact, they might be mighty uncomfortable for awhile.  Yes, it is involuntary.  Tough luck.  They weren't living within the bounds of household, school and community norms, and gave up the right to stay there.  They get an opportunity to figure out what is going on with them, write a lot, talk it out and figure out what they want to do with their lives.
They are not abused- certainly not to the extent they abused family members.  For those of you who have not been in this program, you would be surprised at what these kids have done in the home and what they admit to once the first impact letters arrive.  If you think these kids are there for smoking pot once or twice or skipping school, you are quite wrong.
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