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SO SCREW YOU AND YOUR PESSIMISTIC IDEAS!!!!

Hahaha.  You really make me laugh.  

First, if you claim not to know what WWASP is, why are you posting on a forums and responding to posts about WWASP? That makes no sense.  That defies logic and reason.  That screams "troll".  

Then, you claim to know exactly how you will think and feel in 5 years.  I don't pretend to know how I will think and feel tomorrow, but I can make an educated guess based on my past experience, and the experiences of others close to me in similar situations.  Take it day by day.  Don't tell youself how you are going to feel or think about the program.  Let it come naturally and don't supress your thoughts and feelings -- it's not easy to do right out of a program.  You were manipulated to not question the program.  (At least for WWASPS).  You have been trained and conditioned to lie to yourself and to close your heart and mind to anyone who opposes your view.

Finally, you don't get what you want, so you scream out at people SCREW THIS and that?  Very mature.  You can't you are embarassing yourself?  

Anyway - yeah.  I'm sure you will be very successfull.

Troll.

The bottom line is that if someone doesn't want to change, nothing can force them.  Not abuse, not brainwashing, not even jail.  If a program will let people walk away, that doesn't make it ineffective.  They wouldn't succeed anyway, not in the long run.  That also means that those who do want change and are willing to stick with it are provided a positive environment!

This is true if you are 17 -- or 70 years old.  Locking somebody away in some remote camp is only going piss them off and strengthen their resolve to do as they please.

This is why a self-directed program like Rational Recovery is effective.  Those willing to give it a try are obviously not happy with their situation, desire a change, and will do what they can to follow through.

You have to be your own motivator.

BTW - I totally agree with Nihilanthic about the seminars!

What's funny is I remember the processes and such, but I can't remember any of my "lame adjectives" from Discovery, or my "song" from Focus, etc.  Maybe thinking it was a scam the whole time didn't help make a good impression.  

I do remember you had to yell it really really loud (for the adjectives at the end of discovery), and for the song you sing in Focus.  The louder you were the less fake you were.  Even less "fake" if you cry alot.  Being able to "fake cry" or at least make youself have tears on demand is essential to passing if you don't give a shit.

The one thing that was left out here which was interesting at the end of the seminar, before the cuddling and all actually that, you fall back into everyones arms (like backwards with your eyes closed off a table or chair or something), while they play "your" song.  I guess that is supposedly going to make you gain trust people or what?  Who knows?

I know Lou did Discovery when I did it.  Can't remember for the others.  Which was the seminar with the lifeboat "skit", BTW?  That's the lamest one I remember.

Anyway, seminars are emotional and often embarassing, but not really theraputic.  Where they seem to work is to make you "part of the group" tho.

Oh yeah, all this is top secret too, if you tell other prisoners about it, they say: a) by knowing what will happen, it'll be impossible to pass (be real) and you'll never advance in the levels (BS/scare tactics), b) "consequences" are given out, and nobody wants those.

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-- [email protected][ This Message was edited by: trnsz on 2005-12-01 23:20 ][ This Message was edited by: trnsz on 2005-12-01 23:23 ]

Hey Steve Clark.  When were you there?

Without more research or a visit it's impossible to tell, but at quick glance, I'd say this could be a reputable program.  Average stay of about a month, and many more adults admitted than juveniles.  

That "Christian Focus" stuff sounds like a lot of crap, but then again, it's appears optional, and I'm not a christian/catholic.  I'd stay away from anything with religious affliations, myself.

Now, my step-mom on the otherhand I did miss her service. Had I found out, I would've attempted to go.

Yeah, that's what I was referring to, that was sad.

CCM girl, that's really sad, but I guess it's common after reading all these threads.

These programs are really capable of breaking up a family.  I've probably missed some funerals myself.

THey have'group therapy' every day and once a week session alone with him. He is also involved in other parts of my son's days. I have respect for HIM and the work he is doing.

I have a problem with the whole PROGRAM thing and what is required for graduation. [snip] I am willing to leave my husband over this..that is how strongly I feel, I have 2 younger kids here that I need to think about also. TIme to 'step left' my decision is made, away from the program.

I hope all goes well for you!  I'm sure you can find an excellent therapist outside of the program, too.  I just hope the "group therapy" he's getting isn't like the rest of the programs so-called therapy.  

Maybe these programs are getting better as the years go by, but that can't excuse the misrepresentation of their services, even with the absense of abuse.

Do what you can to keep the family together.  I've seen and heard of too many families that have been split up into pro-program and anti-program cliques!