On 2005-12-01 08:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-30 08:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Have you tried therapy at the hands of a professional. Someone educated enough to psychologically work with your child.
The wwasp facilities do not provide any professional mental assistance (ie psychologist) unless specifically requested and paid for by the parent.
Wwasp does not have ANY effective drug treatment in place whatsoever. There is no 12 step program, NOTHING. Incarcerating a child at a compound will keep them of drugs while they are there. However once they return home and the fear of being sent back wears off, they are likely to relapse. The addiction was never treated and since there are NO qualified mental health professionals at these facilities whatsoever the majority of the children who are acting out because of being emotionally disturbed, never get any real help at all. They are simply warehoused. Yes they are off the streets. Just waiting until the day they get out and can relapse.
I say this as someone who went through the program, did the parent child seminars and everything. The majority of the boys in my parent child seminars , the ones I was in the program with, relapsed. They relapsed HARD. Some lasted 3 weeks some a couple of months some even 6 months to a year. A good portion of those who relapsed even moved on to heavier drugs and one boy from Dallas that I was there with had overdosed on heroin in less than a year after having graduated the wwasp program. He was in the program for two years.
Wwasp is lying about the statistics unless they are doing the success survey the immediate following day after the boys are released from the progeram and have'nt had a chance to relapse yet.
Actually I don't think wwasp has had a survey done. I'm talking about an independent survey company to interview groups of graduates of the parent child seminars one year after the program. Maybe to study the long term effects they should do a five year study as well. I know why they have'nt though, being in the program it would always make it back to us how our friends that had gone home were doing. Sadly often times they were doing worse than they were before the program.
You will have to take wwasp's word that their success rate it so high. And that their methods which they designed are better than what psychologists with degrees can do for your child.
Here is something to chew on. Why is the tuition so expensive when the cost of renting the facility is nearly free after dividing it amongst all the students. They buy the food in bulk which is cheap divided amongst all the students. And then their abundance of untrained, unqualified , minimum wage staff ( who are working there with no background check just a drug screening test which many of the teens can tell you how to beat.) Mix that with the fact that the upper level students are acting as non-paid staff. The costs of running these places is relatively low and they are extremely profitable. If they really wanted to help kids they could easily cut their tuitions in half and still turn a LARGE profit. But that's just it, it's not about helping the kids, it's about warehousing the child and seeing how long they can keep the parent hooked so they can milk them."
Well, I only ghave experience with one WWASPS school, so here goes:
Spring Creek currently has 9 full time therapists, including one that all students see within two days of arriving.
Surveys are done at 1, 3, 6, and 12-month intervals. However, a long-term survey is a very good idea, and is currently being developed. It makes sense to demonstrate how effective the program is, especially long-term.
You obviously don't know much about land values, but other costs include paying the many professionals,including 24 certified teachers. In addition, there is the cost of the extensive background checks--at two levels-- and ongoing training every week, including CPR, First Aid, Mandt training, communications, and policy and procedure. The school is fully accredited and credits are accepted all over the country--including at some of the finest universities. Yet Spring Creek's tuition remains low in comparison to most programs around the country.
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How about they survey the group I was there with? Well corey is dead George O.Ded on heroin Chaffins golden boy Mark relapsed and ran away. Eddie went back and worked there but was fired and then went into harder things than before the program. One boy got busted with massive amounts of drugs. And all others I've talked to don't seem to be doing that well either. So go ahead and do your selective survey.
And that is quite a land portfolio than Cameron and Dan Peart have there but it is still just a pittance compared to the revenue collected in tuition.It is not that cheap, it still costs as much as an Ivy league education.Are we talking therapists or PSYCHOLOGISTS? The difference a degree vs. a do it at home course. If the teens are troubled enough to need drastic intervention then should'nt they get real help at the hands of a credential having professional.
The school in Montana was much nicer than the one in Samoa. In Samoa when I first got there, there was one set of High school curriculum and it was a photocopy of a photocopy quality. They made copies of those copies and then passed them out to the different beaches or compounds. The questions were like this (IE> The nile river is in Egpyt true or false)I think it had to have been from a special ed. high school. Even then though if you knew the right kids behind the scenes you could get answer keys. Sometimes the unskilled local teachers (how are they supposed to tutor you in english when they can hardly speak it?) would accept articles of name brand clothing in exchange for answer keys. One boy graduated high school for two starter basketball jerzeez.Then at the end after news crews started inquiring they got computers and real books all of a sudden. I'm not sure why Dace's eyes were so red all the time. Maybe he had CHRONIC eye problems. He was often hungry too if I remember correctly anyone at Casa notice that?
I attended spring creek and it wasn't that bad. Honestly compared to Samoa it was a Five Star Resort. I think Cameron and Chaffin really want to help kids. I would be surprised if they really did remove the heater from the hobbit but then again I wasn't there at that time. I do remember Cameron challenging a boy to jump into the pond to demonstrate his comittment to change. Then we threw Cameron in and half the facility jumped in as well.
It's too bad they don't believe in their own personal power and get out of bed with wwasp who has made millions abusing and warehousing teens.
I would say SCL is the least wwasp-like facility. Jamaica , Samoa and High impact are/were more along the lines of traditional wwasp schools. My beef is'nt with Spring Creek it is what they were allowed to do to us in Samoa.I had forgotten all about it and moved on with my life. I decided to look it up online and now they are acting like Samoa never even existed. All the abuse that took place they are trying to sweep it under the rug. I've heard similiar stories from those who attended Jamaica or other schools. WWASP is accountable for their actions, or does accountability only apply to the kids?
In Samoa it was called isolation for a long time because thats what it was. Then Brian and Duane got a company memo renaming it observation placement. The "Dungeon" then became the worksheet room. Changing the name to something more politically correct does'nt mean anything to me. It was still a place where they could handcuff, ductape, starve ,and beat you if it so pleased them and it did at times.
What I'm pushing for is more regulation in the industry. Institutions (both public and private) such as psychological hospitals and retirement homes are regulated and monitored to prevent abuse. WHY? Because there is a need. Abuse occurs and there needs to be regulation to counter and stop it.
