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The Troubled Teen Industry / Villa Santa Maria
« on: November 11, 2007, 11:11:54 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
While we can go back and forth on whether "attachment disorder" really exists, the dialectical behavior therapy is decisively NOT marketed as "attachment therapy" (AT), and if Dr. Lineman were asked if she were an attachment therapist, she'd probably say hell no.

First of all, it's Marsha Linehan.  IIRC, DBT is a psychosocial treatment that was developed primarily as a treatment for BPD (borderline personality disorder).  I have heard of it being used for children with an attachment disorder, as well, though I have no idea what Linehan's position on that would be.


from her website:

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Dialectical Behavior Therapy at a Glance  
In the late 1970s, Marsha M. Linehan (1993) attempted to apply standard Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) to the problems of adult women with histories of chronic suicide attempts, suicidal ideation, urges to self-harm, and self-mutilation. Trained as a behaviorist, she was interested in treating discrete behaviors; however, through consultation with colleagues, she concluded that she was treating women who met criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). In the late 1970s, CBT had gained prominence as an effective psychotherapy for a range of serious problems. Linehan was keenly interested in investigating whether or not it would prove helpful for individuals whose suicidality was in response to extremely painful problems. As she and her research team applied standard CBT, they encountered numerous problems with its use. Three were particularly troublesome:
1. Clients receiving CBT found the unrelenting focus on change inherent to CBT invalidating. Clients responded by withdrawing from treatment, by becoming angry, or by vacillating between the two. This resulted in a high drop out rate. And, obviously, if clients do not attend treatment, they cannot benefit from treatment.
2. Clients unintentionally positively reinforced their therapists for ineffective treatment while punishing their therapists for effective therapy. In other words, therapists were unwittingly under the control of consequences outside their awareness, just as all humans are. For example, the research team noticed through its review of audio taped sessions that therapists would “back offâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Villa Santa Maria
« on: November 11, 2007, 02:16:00 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Remember Exhausted? That link totally flipped her lid. The quotes from the "therapists" involved in it are absolutely sickening. If you do this to your kids or pay someone to do it for you, you ought to be electrocuted, no two ways about it.


Where's TSW when you need him?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / bullshit diagnoses, through recent decades
« on: November 11, 2007, 01:26:01 PM »
The 2 previous posts by Deb are both great articles, and any parent with a child dxd with any ASD should read these and other articles about diet, and try the GFCF diet before trying medication. Most psychiatrists will recommend diet changes prior to trying medication, although many docs don't buy into the GFCF diet, as it has mixed results, but it's certainly worth trying. The debate about thimerosal or mercury being at the root cause of the increasing numbers of ASDs has been going on for years. The current research, and the generation of kids getting vaccines without thimerosal should provide some much needed answers. I discovered that my son had a severe behavioral reaction to red dye, which is found in many foods, but the GFCF diet provided no results for us. I have seen other kids who have definately benefited.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch & Beyond
« on: November 11, 2007, 10:25:07 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Watch the troll tell us what we want to hear! Watch, watch! They usually don't get this desperate, folks... at least not on page two. Looks like I nailed it.

Now your ass is parked on this forum like a bad case of rectal cancer. Did somebody from Villa Santa Gofuckyourself or Montcalm Boys Hellhole send you some unpleasant email after finding themselves on Fornits in a negative light? Oooooh, that had to hurt. And we're going to go after them now, just because you pissed us off.

You lose, Lon. Seriously, it's really fucking obvious. Real people simply do not type that way, and what appears to you to be a redoubled effort at reality appears to the rest of us as just more gobbly programmie speak.

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I’ve utilized prominent psychiatrists, psychologists, school counselors, church ministers, family therapy, sports therapy, parenting classes, mentors, youth groups, community wrap-around programs and more. There is the larger issue of parental responsibility and my son’s precarious impact on his siblings and our community. It is truly an impossible choice with too much at stake. My hope is that my son will, with attentive treatment, return to our home and community successfully.

I'm laughing, but it's actually kind of disturbing that this comes off to you like a realistic approximation of a parent.

Get off the Internet. Delete your site, send apologies to all the kids you helped torture in your "safer" programs, and finish things up by sticking a lit pipe bomb in your mouth.


Did you miss this on the other thread?

 California Boy Abused at Yellowstone Boys and Girls: Montana  
California Youth Claims Abuse in Montana Treatment Center
A 14-year old child reports being secluded and restrained in his own blood at Montana Residential Treatment Center, but they won't give his parents or attorneys access.

Salem-News.com

October 23, 2007

(BILLINGS, Mt.) - Jeremy Ellis, a 14 year old Laguna Beach special education student who is currently placed at Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch, a therapeutic treatment center located in Billings, Montana, claims the facility abused him.

In a letter to his attorney, Leejanice Toback, Jeremy described how doors were slammed into his face and he has been put in seclusion or restraints, lying in a puddle of his own blood.

In the letter, Jeremy described how a staff member slammed doors in his face twice, causing his face to bleed and how he has regularly been put in seclusion and/or restraints for over one hour, denied medical attention and given nothing to stop the bleeding. In addition Jeremy reports how he has been punched and kicked by a particular male staff member. He has told his mother that his therapist regularly refers to him and other children as "morons."

Jeremy was referred to Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch by Orange County Mental Health Services. Jeremy's attorney, Leejanice Toback, originally requested a placement at Villa Santa Maria in New Mexico, but Orange County Mental Health Services refused, stating that the facility was not on their agency's approved list.

After receiving Jeremy's letter, Ms. Toback phoned Yellowstone's C.E.O. Glenn McFarlane. He is alleged to have refused Ms. Toback's demand to report the incident to the Montana Child Protective Services Agency. Mr. McFarlane told Ms. Toback that Yellowstone would do its own investigation.

Ms. Tobak says McFarlane stated that, "if we reported all these complaints, we would spend all our time reporting incidents to Child Protective Services." Dave Schwarm, the Quality Improvement Specialist from Yellowstone confirmed to Ms. Toback she says, that in the last month there were at least three child abuse allegations made. She says he stated that according to his records, Jeremy is self abusing. When asked about evidence to support that claim, he hung up.

Written requests to the facility to cease abuse of the child have gone unheeded, attorneys and family members say. As of October 8th, Yellowstone reported to Jeremy's mother that he was again put in restraints, this time for touching his nose.

Jeremy's parents and his attorney are trying to relocate him to a safe and secure treatment center, but they have been unsuccessful due to the records generated by Yellowstone painting Jeremy as uncontrollable and self injurious and the lack of cooperation by Orange County Heath Care Agency, who are insisting that Jeremy be transferred to a particular approved facility which has ten locked seclusion rooms for their one hundred twelve residents.

"Parents place their special education children in these facilities for the purpose of treatment and structure, not so that they can be brutalized. We treat prisoners better than this", Ms. Toback stated.

"The full color brochures and videos that these places prepare don't have pictures of kids secluded in stark rooms with no pictures, toys, books or music or restrained by adults three times their size."

A recent Cornell University study found that over a ten year period there were forty-five deaths of children and adolescents in residential facilities due to the use of restraints.

Jeremy's family is considering all options, including legal actionagainst Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / bullshit diagnoses, through recent decades
« on: November 10, 2007, 07:37:28 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Pitbull mom wrote:
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Responsible parents and doctors will always eliminate medical and behavioral issues before trying medication. That being said, I do believe there is some overdiagnosis going on today, as there always has been, and docs who are not specialists sometimes rush too quickly into medication, and some parents look for a "quick fix". Any parent who puts their child on medication needs to do a LOT of homework first.

I agree with you, pitbull, but there are some areas in which coming up with a diagnoses and medicating and keeping your child medicated is beneficial to the family financially.  The type of medication your child is receiving can dictate how much you will receive from the state.
There are presently about 580,000 kids in foster care and the families are paid accordingly:

.........................Daily............................................................Monthly
Ages  00-12 ....   $14.24/Day......................................................$427/Month per child,+ clothing allowance

Ages  13-18 ....   $17.58/Day......................................................$527/Month per child,+ clothing allowance


If you can manage to get the children diagnosed with something, anything then your monthly income increases as follows:  (Levels indicate the severity of the problem), Ritalin being a Level I maybe and more psychotic would increase you to Level II and Level III.

..............................Level I.......................Level II...................................Level III.............
Ages  00-12.............$5..................................$10..........................................$15.....................an additional $150 – 450/Month per child,+ clothing allowance

Ages  13-18.............$6..................................$11..........................................$16.....................an additional $180 – 480/Month per child,+ clothing allowance

Med. Fragile............$8..................................$13..........................................$18.....................an additional $240 – 540/Month per child, + clothing allowance

The Child Welfare League of America reports, "Approximately 60 percent of all children in out-of-home care have moderate to severe mental health problems [ ... ] Adolescents living with foster parents or in group homes have about four times the rate of serious psychiatric disorders than those living with their own families
A 2001 study found that foster care children were more likely to have a mental health or substance abuse condition than other children receiving Medicaid

The families that have been in the system the longest can get all their kids on medication at a very young age and keep them on the medication even if it means having to relocate the family before the doctor can change his diagnoses.  Many of these kids that are placed into foster care have special issues to deal with that other kids don’t have to like:

•   blaming themselves and feeling guilty about removal from their birth parents
•   wishing to return to birth parents even if they were abused by them
•   feeling unwanted if awaiting adoption for a long time
•   feeling helpless about multiple changes in foster parents over time
•   having mixed emotions about attaching to foster parents
•   feeling insecure and uncertain about their future
•   reluctantly acknowledging positive feelings for foster parents

But I don’t think this would account for the statistic of medicating these kids at a rate of 60% or better.  

The same problem exists in our welfare system also, there are approximately 5,800,000 people receiving welfare as of September and they receive similar incentives to medicate.



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I am uncharacteristically speechless....That is such a fucked up system, I don't even know where to start commenting.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: bullshit diagnoses, through recent decades
« on: November 10, 2007, 03:51:43 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
In the 90s it was:

Oppositional defiance disorder (since declared not a real* disorder. Oops, our bad. Sorry about that lobotomy

Borderline personality (ridiculous, fuck you)

ADD

This decade:
 
Aspergers (it’s all the rage, you never heard of it, now everyone’s got it. It’s today’s version of borderline…a kid isn’t doing anything “badâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch & Beyond
« on: November 10, 2007, 03:34:20 PM »
Forgot this in my last post - You also need to contact the state Office of Licensing, and Child Protective Services for the county where the facility is, and file complaints of abuse against your son. No one will do this for you.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch & Beyond
« on: November 10, 2007, 03:23:45 PM »
Quote from: "kumquatmay"
As a result of a special education classification of emotionally disturbed and acting out at school, my 14-yr old son was sent to the Yellowstone Boys and Girls Ranch in Montana five months ago. He is not doing well. He actually seems much worse now, than when he started at the placement. The results of the facility’s psychiatric testing and evaluation were a vague, broad-spectrum diagnosis of ADHD/BP/ODD and some unspecified type of thought disorder (?). Which sounds to me like a little bit of everything and nothing specifically treatable. They are trying new combinations of medications, but I have my doubts about this program working for my son. Clearly, discovering the right medications will be of great help, but other therapeutic elements of mental health care are critical as well.

At this point, my son despises his therapist and continues to engage in an insolent power-struggle with the staff.  For this reason, he has been continually kept in a highly secure, intensive treatment lodge that would normally just be used for assessment purposes. His stubborn defiance and unmanageability with the staff has led to multiple (i.e. daily) therapeutic crisis interventions or “proceduresâ€

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The Troubled Teen Industry / 20,000-50,000
« on: November 09, 2007, 01:40:27 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
WOAH!! Look at the first paragraph!

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KING OF PRUSSIA, Pa., Oct. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Universal Health Services, Inc. (NYSE: UHS) announced today that its reported net income was $28.9 million, or $.54 per diluted share, during the third quarter of 2007 as compared to $113.9 million, or $2.00 per diluted share, during the comparable prior year quarter. For the nine months ended September 30, 2007, reported net income was $130.4 million, or $2.43 per diluted share, as compared to $225.3 million, or $3.89 per diluted share, during the comparable nine-month period in the prior year.

Net income for this quarter dropped 75% from last year! Pure ownage, and hardly the sign of a growing company.


don't be fooled by just looking at net income, you have to look at net revenues and also the deductions that go into that net income line. And don't misinterpret my intentions in posting this information as did the previous poster, I am not happy about these numbers, I am very concerned about the growth in the industry:

Net revenues increased 13% to $1.18 billion during the third quarter of 2007 as compared to $1.04 billion during the third quarter of 2006. Net revenues increased 14% to $3.56 billion during the first nine months of 2007 as compared to $3.13 billion during the comparable nine-month period of 2006.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / 20,000-50,000
« on: November 09, 2007, 01:24:22 PM »
The number is likely going to go up drastically, judging from the healthy P&L's for CRC/Aspen Education Group. And there are exploding numbers of kids being diagnosed with autism, learning disorders, ADHD, etc.  for example, 20 years ago,  1 in 10,000 kids in school had autism, now it's 1 in 150. Those who end up in the Juvenile Justice system, or for whom inclusion doesn't work well, will probably end up in RTC at some point, unless parents and schools can figure out a better way to keep these kids in their communities.

And I think Aspen/CRC and Universal Health Services have positioned themselves quite well to take advantage of this phenomenon:

check out UHS here. http://http://www.uhsinc.com/hospitals.php?type=behavioral  and their latest financial data here http://http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=PR&symbol=UHS&storyID=236056+29-Oct-2007+PRN&type=qcna

CRC here http://http://www.crchealth.com
and their latest financial info here http://http://ir.10kwizard.com/files.php?source=1321

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Child Medication Safety Act- Stop Coerced Drugging
« on: November 08, 2007, 01:38:26 PM »
http://http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-891

You can follow the status of this bill here, read the actual text of the bill, and get newsfeeds.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Medical Neglect Knows No Boundaries
« on: November 07, 2007, 11:36:10 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Che, i didn’t mean to imply you don’t have a conscience, but you need to think this out. PB mom is a victim along with her son. When you love someone and they are murdered, you are murdered too. You die

bullshit.

I'd feel sorry for PB Mom if she wasn't constantly taking offense to everything said that doesn't fit her world view. I'd further have some patience with the woman if she repeatedly wasn't trying to play sympathy cards. Last, I'd even be able to tolerate her if she didn't repeatedly try to remind everyone they should be nice and considerate to her because her son died.  

fuck that.


A piece of my soul dies every time I see that woman use her son's memory in such a manner. Any sympathy for PB Mom ran out for her, from me, the day she started coming across as a drama queenish attention whore.

PB Mom is looking in the wrong place if she wants sympathy, compassion, or anything else. Finding such things on the internet is absurd.

PB mom.. if you want anything you will only find it at home with your surviving children, family, and friends.

Take the case of Linda Ibbara to heart. The way you are going I see you locked in your car with one of your kids and both of you are dead before the next year is up.


First of all, I never asked for sympathy, never asked anyone to be nice to me, never exploited my son's death, and I've never exhibited the drama whore behavior that YOU love so well. I have defended myself when attacked, and put in my 2 cents when I see information I don't think is valid, or shared my experience in the hopes that one family might be spared from my nightmare. I have just as much right to post my opinion as you do, since my son was a victim of this industry, and as his mother, it is within my rights to use his death as an example of any violation of kids' right that I choose to.  

I am not a victim here, I refuse to be victimized either by the industry or by your crap. Yes I have taken offense at porn that ruined some good threads, and I have (understandably) taken offense at some crude jokes about my son's death, and yes, I'm probably a little oversensitive about it. GET OVER IT. my son DIED just a few months ago for pete's sake.

Sorry, I won't be offing myself and providing additional entertainment for you, I plan on being around for a long time, I have a beautiful and kind daughter that I will not leave without a parent.  I have done nothing wrong, and have no reason to end my life. And I don't plan on letting you run me off fornits either. We are on the same "side" here, and I have no idea why you continually attack me, it's really unneccessary, and really in bad taste, all things considered.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Child Medication Safety Act- Stop Coerced Drugging
« on: November 02, 2007, 05:14:53 PM »
Done, Deb thanks for posting this.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Fornits Association of Parents
« on: November 02, 2007, 04:56:50 PM »
Quote from: ""Jolly Rogers""
I'd like to invite some concerned parents to join me in a discussion of putting something like a parent's group together.

please feel free to email me at:

[email protected]

What I'd like to see is a private forum here on fornits for the discussion of parents issues. I normally post as a guest, but for this I'm going to use a screen name in hopes of people seeing this as a serious effort.

Please.. no trolls. I want to try to accomplish something helpful for everyone here on fornits and beyond.
This in an invitation if I ever heard one....
Thank You

Yeah, right. Fornits Association of Parent = FAP

I sincerely doubt this is a serious post and I would not fall for this.

This is just another chance to jack off at the expense of our kids. Don't fall for it folks. If you insist on contacting this person, at least use a proxy and hide your IP address. Unless you want to be spammed with porn, or get your computer hacked.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Fornits Association of Parents
« on: November 02, 2007, 04:45:37 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull Mom""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Pitbull-face""
Struggling Teens does not represent the interests of most parents who post on fornits, you asshole. I'm out there, knocking on doors, advocating for kids' civil rights, working this thing from as many different angles as I can to ensure better options for our teens with mental health disorders, trying to ensure accountability, not having a frickin pity party.  What the hell are you doing?
People here are doing plenty...fuck off with that noise, dumbass.

Examples please.

For one, the recent post about the request by Miller to the FTC to investigate deceptive advertising by programs and ed cons is very helpful!!!  Second,   Fornits has a very large readership in case you haven't noticed.  What gets posted here gets SEEN by the media, government officials, parents, teens, survivors, etc.  

Fornits has helped many people, including yourself, PB.  Trolls thrive on attention.  Feed them at your own risk.


I don't think the readership is nearly as vast as you think. otherwise, there would be a LOT more civil rights work going on to protect these kids.  Got any hard numbers to back up that claim of a "very large readership"? With less than 5000 registered users, how large can the reader base be? I'm a reasonably open minded person, living in middle class America, witha large base of friends and acquaintances who are parents, and I can't think of 1 person I know who would spend more than 5 minutes on fornits.

Out of the dozens of state and national advocacy organizations I have contacted, very few of them were even aware of the teen industry until after the hearing. And none of them had heard of fornits, or TTI survivors. Most were not aware of the large number of deaths, or that restraints are still being used. So that so-called "very large readership" is apparently NOT getting the message.

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