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The Troubled Teen Industry / Concern for a "student"
« on: August 11, 2005, 05:53:00 PM »
Hmmmm?   How does my offering the name of the program change the discussion at hand?  If you can figure out who the hell "Paul" is, then perhaps you can figure out who the hell I am.  Not a chance I choose to take.

Perhaps if I felt the environment a little more friendly (or at least less hostile) toward parents who have made a placement, I might be slightly more inclined to offer details.  But, at this point, I don't know that I have encountered one shred of support or understanding about residential treatment facilities.  Not even quality ones.

My "excuse" may not make sense to you.  That's OK.  Lots on this forum doesn't yet make sense to me.  But, I come here with an open mind and a desire to better understand the truth.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Concern for a "student"
« on: August 11, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
Anon~
Sorry.... I don't want to disclose that information.  This population is not exactly "program friendly".  ::bangin::  I will tell you that she had a very positive experience there.  She bears no ill-will.  But, she was not abused as many on this forum were.  

Sorry to be vague.  I just wish to protect her (and my) anonymity.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Concern for a "student"
« on: August 11, 2005, 05:09:00 PM »
Well I did some snooping around and found nothing.  Which is a big concern.  Even the local police department knew nothing of the facility.  The officer I spoke with had lived in this tiny town for his entire life.  Hmmm.... going to have to dig a little deeper.  Thanks for the ideas.  I did check out struggling teens and the info there was similar to the website offered by the program.  No real information.  Thanks again.[ This Message was edited by: Truth Searcher on 2005-08-11 14:09 ]

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Concern for a "student"
« on: August 11, 2005, 08:02:00 AM »
We have friends who placed their trouble son (15) at a facility in Montana called "New Horizons".  From the get-go I had red flags going up.  And I am not sure how to respond to his parents.

For unruly boys they shackle them to a pole "until they calm down".  They "feed and water them" at the pole.

No therapist on staff.  Therapy is an extra charge and requires a trip into town.

They are "home schooled".  In other words, no certified teachers on the premises.

The night they arrived the boys were eating Tuna Helper.  Cheap yes, but nutritious?  NOT!

They spend their days baling hay and building more dorms for future students.

All this for the cost of $4200/month.  :question:  :question:

This is sooooooooooo very different than the therapeutic school that our daughter attended.  Not sure if her program was awesome or if it was an exception.  But this young man's program sounds "shady".  Looking for insights.  Thanks.

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Let It Bleed / Life Expectancy Test
« on: August 10, 2005, 06:39:00 PM »
Cancer at age 75 will get me.  If my teenagers don't drive me to insanity before then! :grin:

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Tacitus' Realm / Prison/Industry: Same MO
« on: July 20, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
Interesting topic.  I have a family member who has been in and out of the penal system for 20 something years.  His biggest complaint is that the "system" does not rehabilitate.  It only incarcerates.  He is no closer to being clean after a prison stay than he is the day he was locked up.  In fact, we have been told by many reliable sources that drugs are as available and prevalent in the prison as they are on the street.  But, I digress.

I just wanted to comment that in our families experience, the prison does not even attempt to rehabilitate (other than the occasional AA meeting).

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Open Free for All / Gang Violence must END - 13 yr old raped
« on: April 26, 2011, 01:32:17 AM »
Wow ANON~
I must admit I did not find your sarcasm one whit funny.  Geesh!  I'm thinking castration would be more appropriate.  ::soapbox::

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The Troubled Teen Industry / petition for bill to End Institutionalized Child Abuse
« on: July 20, 2005, 12:04:00 PM »
Just out of curiosity, does this legislation exist in the states?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / New Horizons in northwestern Montana
« on: July 12, 2005, 06:16:00 PM »
Any alumna's or first hand information about this program?  Know someone who is considering it as a placement, and I have some red flags going up.  Guess it is very small.  Can't find much on the web about it.  Thanks in advance!

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Feed Your Head / What it takes to pull me through.
« on: June 16, 2005, 07:49:00 PM »
ISBN:  0618145451
Published:  Houghton Mifflin Co., Boston
2005
Authored:  David L. Marcus

I just read this book by David L Marcus.  A long look at Swift River in Massachusetts.  It was an interesting read.  Just wondering about the author's accuracy.

In the end he neither endorsed nor ripped the program apart.  Pretty ambivalent.

Anyone here during this period?  

"When my mama ask me will I change
I tell her yeah, bit it's clear I'll always be tha same
Until the end of time" ~  Tupac Shakur

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Open Free for All / Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?
« on: June 16, 2005, 05:23:00 PM »
Patriot~
Here is one that I downloaded for free.  Because, I am by far the world's worst speller!! If the link doesn't work, just google it.  The only thing I do worse than spell is attach links.

http://www.iespell.com

"It's a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word!" -- Andrew Jackson

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Open Free for All / Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?
« on: June 16, 2005, 03:27:00 PM »
Quote
On 2005-06-16 11:51:00, Paul wrote:

"I am 49, when I was in school there was a demand

from students to augment the curriculum with

more relevant classes.

I too am in the "forty something" category.  I remember that our sex ed consisted of learning about body parts and their function.  We learned the mechanics of reproduction (not necessarily the sex act, but rather that the sperm fertilized the egg kinda thing ::blushing:: ).  And we were segregated into male/female groups.  I attended with my mother.  She was able to support me afterward and answer any questions that may arise.  Fast forward 20 plus years to our children's experience.

Learn about anal, oral sex. (I don't think I knew about such things until my later high school years.... I know I was naive  :smile: )  in the classroom setting.  Learn how to properly use a condom by practicing on a banana in a mixed peer group.  Talk about any sexual experience in mixed company. Etc, etc, etc.

It is not "sex education" per say that I am opposed to.  Kids need to know about the mechanics, etc.  And in todays world of disease, they need to know about AIDS, HPV, and teen pregnancy rates.  I know that not all parents take it upon themselves to educate their children.  I guess my beef is that in our school district it is a part of the "normal curriculum".  I had to jump through hoops to get the district to waive the required high school course.  My kids were more interested in academia and prepping for college than "learning" what has been a life long discourse in our home.

I don't blame the school district.  It is a societal problem.

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Open Free for All / Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?
« on: June 16, 2005, 12:05:00 PM »
Quote



How did you learn about sex? Should we all learn the way you did?"


I learned from my parents in an age appropriate manner.  And while I do not think that all should learn the way I did, I believe that my children should not have to learn the way the government dictates they should either(via the public school agenda).

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Open Free for All / Does Deborah's Anti-Psychiatry posts help anyone?
« on: June 16, 2005, 09:24:00 AM »
Well said Deborah!  

Our school district introduced anal/oral sex to our children in 6th grade under the guise of an "aids awareness program".  When did the public school system take it upon themselves to teach morality?

Oh I know the arguments... "but parents aren't teaching sex ed, and morality, and manners.... yada yada yada...." so the schools have had to take up the slack.

Give the power back to the family!!!  Better yet, families .... take the power back!

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Open Free for All / Micheal Jackson Acquitted 6/13
« on: June 16, 2005, 08:19:00 AM »
It was so reminiscent of the whole OJ Simpson trial.  Part of me believes that money can buy anything.... including an acquittal.  But, the other part of me has to believe in our system of jurisprudence, however flawed it may be.

This case was especially difficult because Michael Jackson is so..... weird.  I mean the man admitted to sleeping and showering with boys.  My husband would pulverize any adult man who would have showered or slept with our son.

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