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Offline NivekOgre

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« on: April 09, 2005, 12:08:00 PM »
Someone had mentioned something like this on another thread but I can't find it. How do all of these programs get so screwed up basing themselves on A.A./N.A.? Is A.A. fucked up or are they just bastardizing it? When I go to AA it seems pretty mellow to be honest, no scream therapy or soul raping, so how did all of this get started?
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2005, 12:47:00 PM »
AA is very fucked up.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
Well AA does have a lot in common with tough love, it teaches all about "enabling" and how selfish it is to help anyone struggling pretty much anytime, other than to tell them they are an alcoholic (or another such oholic) and need AA. And then of course the crux of the whole program is to admit that you're selfish and self centered. I think the reason they dont force anyone to go (well I dont think they even could legally) but they would probably call that enabling. The whole thing about you have to hit your bottom before you can be helped. They can be confrontational but in a very soft spoken way.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2005, 11:06:00 PM »
You kidding? People have had to fight through the courts to get judges and POs not to force them to attend AA meetings.

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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2005, 12:48:00 AM »
When were you at CEDU?
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2005, 05:21:00 AM »
lol ya are you crazy people have to do mandatory AA meetings all the time.  I had to do 6 weeks when i was arrested.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2005, 04:19:00 PM »
But compared to sitting in those raps and propheets, A.A. is nothing if you ask me. Kinda boring and the God stuff can be lame. Seems to me that these programs taking A.A. and interpreting it are the ones that are out of hand like the military schools and wacky Christian rehabs.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 11:09:00 AM »
Ok you guys are right about that, I guess what I meant was the people *IN* AA dont go around kidnapping people. But not that they can't be court ordered. I was looking at it from the programs point of view. It would be illegal for them to go around kidnapping people, plus they would probably call that enabling, that's what I was trying to say. Of course if they get court ordered, they would probably call that "God's will." They have a very strange way at looking at things IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2005, 01:23:00 PM »
some resources on AA as a cult:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html

http://www.bullymag.com/6.1.03/aa-060103.asp

http://www.positiveatheism.org/rw/ofcourse.htm

of course, whether you agree with these analyses is a personal matter, but i thought you might appreciate the info.

also, a funny article on "beating" an intervention courtesy of modern drunkard magazine:

http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/i ... ention.htm
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2005, 03:34:00 PM »
Thanks. But then we've got the million dollar question, how do we "cure" the junkie, crackhead or drunk? I don't see just letting these people destroy themselves as an option.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-12 12:34:00, NivekOgre wrote:

"Thanks. But then we've got the million dollar question, how do we "cure" the junkie, crackhead or drunk? I don't see just letting these people destroy themselves as an option."


Well rest easy, friend. The good news is that addicts usually don't destroy themselves. Most people, if they don't get crushed by our attempts to rescue them, grow up and either abstain or manage their drug use.


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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2005, 01:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-12 10:23:00, equestrienne wrote:
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/i ... ention.htm"


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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-12 12:34:00, NivekOgre wrote:

"Thanks. But then we've got the million dollar question, how do we "cure" the junkie, crackhead or drunk? I don't see just letting these people destroy themselves as an option."


Leave me alone.  I'll destroy myself if I goddamn want to.  It's my life, not yours you do-gooder asshole.

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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2005, 05:34:00 PM »
Well rest easy, friend. The good news is that addicts usually don't destroy themselves. Most people, if they don't get crushed by our attempts to rescue them, grow up and either abstain or manage their drug use.





Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys

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i far prefer maintenance to abstinence!
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
I could not agree w/ you more. Let people make their own damn choices.
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