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When did the Seed close on SR84?
GregFL:
You can.
Go sign yourself in
one of these seed copycat programs....they can all be traced back to the seed and use substantially similar techniques, updated to include all the necessary bells and whistles in order to get insurance to pay the way...
http://www.growingtogether.com/
http://www.kidshelpingkids.com/
http://www.safeorlando.com/index.html
http://www.aarc.ab.ca/
http://www.pathwayfamilycenter.org/
Luv Ya!
:grin:
Anonymous:
Or a facsimile there of ?
GregFL:
I don't really think the seed strived for "perfection" per se anon, but instead strived for a perfect closed society; practicing perfect idolization of Art Barker. It strove to protect him and themselves from the reality of the world. It strove to support the very transparent lies they were telling themselves about the definition of honesty, commitment, and friendship, and strove to remain glaringly naively idealistic even as the reality of Art's imperfection, mortality and weaknesses were slipping in.
very different things.
Someone had to figure somehow Art couldn't beat everyone at softball at 70 years old. people had to realize "awareness" really meant closing your eyes to reality and telling yourself a myth based in mysticism. And people had to see other's profiting off of the devotees' dedication to idealistic perfection, sipping iced tea in their air conditioned paid for houses as these poor saps mowed lawns, washed cars and cleaned other people's houses in order to gain status in the group.
The whole thing was a sham, and I feel for those of you that fell for it for so long.
echothis:
I agree with you Greg!!!!
::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce::
wtaylorg:
--- Quote ---"Someone had to figure somehow Art couldn't beat everyone at softball at 70 years old. people had to realize "awareness" really meant closing your eyes to reality and telling yourself a myth based in mysticism. And people had to see other's profiting off of the devotees' dedication to idealistic perfection, sipping iced tea in their air conditioned paid for houses as these poor saps mowed lawns, washed cars and cleaned other people's houses in order to gain status in the group.
The whole thing was a sham, and I feel for those of you that fell for it for so long."
--- End quote ---
I agree very much with what you're saying Greg. I have read here where it seems some people are getting misty eyed with their recollections of staying the night at the Seed, gardening that kind of stuff. They are failing to remember the place as it was. The Seed was a place where you couldn't take a crap without asking for permission. Is this right?
I was there from 82-85, and during that time my grandmother passed away. I asked them permission to go the funeral, as I had to ask them permission to do anything( take a piss, buy a sandwhich). They said they would get back to me. "get back to me?" To them my Grandmothers funeral was not as important as Art & staff going to the Bagel Nosch for lunch, or one of those meaning less softball games ou tin the back field, where Bob W. instructed you to "pitch it so Art could hit it".
I am glad that they decided I could go to the funeral after the 3 days that I kept my family waiting for the answer so they could make their plans.
All that ever mattered to them was their own stuff!
I would rather deal with life's trials and tribulations, the up's and down's, then to be hanging out at some mostly abandoned building not getting in on the richness that life offers. We traded our souls to be at the Seed. That is not an OK thing for me today as I can love and am loved.
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