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earning the right to walk by yourself
Anonymous:
I was there in '71 off and on til about '75. I don't recall being escorted to the bathroom. I think they may have pointed, and I remembered where it was the next time. I do recall those sandwiches though. PJ, and sometimes bologna and mayo. I still don't care for bologna, and that Jim Jones thing kinda ruined Koolaid for me.
And now it's time for.... ::bigsmilebounce:: Seed Limo Trivia! ::drummer:: The limo was previously owned by Jackie Gleason. I think it was donated. It was acquired for security reasons after Art had received some death threats from drug dealers. (The Seed was hurting their business) Art also had a nice sailboat/yacht which he had prior to The Seed, and an OUTSTANDING stereo system. Surround sound, with HUGE speakers. He took a few of us over to hear some big band music the way he used to hear it as a comic...right in the middle of it all. He had made his money as a standup comic, and had a few small acting roles as well in his previous life.
Probably my fondest musical memory was when a few other Seedlings and I went to Disney World. We were in the cafeteria at 'Tomorrow Land', (I think that's what it is/was called) I heard some familiar music, and all of a sudden, the stage started rising, and out of the floor came Count Basie and his Orchestra! (one of my favorites) and I had no idea they were even playing there! I treasure that memory.
In the early '70's, the only period of time I'm sure about, The Seed would NOT accept Federal funding, because they didn't want to get sucked into the gub'mint system. For the most part, the Federal programs were ineffective, and Art knew if he accepted funding, there would be strings attached.
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GregFL:
Welcome back (tom?) to Ging's brother.
Early 70s was when art was raking in all the major federal funding dough..only taking this moral highround position That he could do it without their influence and "strings" when they required him to have "consent forms" signed indicating that the inductee was submitting to experimental treatment voluntarily. so your memory isn't really correct there.
Also, Art CLAIMED to have made his money as a standup comedian professing he could make all the money he needed doing so. The St Pete times actually had the savey to check that claim out, went down and interviewed the miami playboy club and according to them discovered he was only a part time fill in and only was making about 3 grand a year being a comic. Perhaps Another "honesty is the most important rule" breach by the head honcho?
Many people don't remember the bathroom thing..but I assure you it was integral to the program at all locations..bathroom monitors and the whole shebang..during the time you were there. I know because one of my fondest memories of the seed was being bathroom monitor..preferring to smell shit instead of participating in rap.
I want to join you wishing Ginger a happy birthday. Welcome back again!
Where the hell you been?
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-30 10:30:00, Anonymous . It was acquired for security reasons after Art had received some death threats from drug dealers.
:wave: LORTY, LORTY, ANTIGEN IS 40! (tomorrow) Happy Birthday, Sis! :nworthy: "
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A dubious claim at best. Sure people would call the seed with bomb threats and so forth but I don't think anything as ominous as "drug dealers getting their business harmed" was really a serious threat.
I think he just wanted to be escorted around by a black guy...a la "driving Mrs. Daisy" style.
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Antigen:
Thanks for the well wishes, guys.
I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain.
--Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-30 08:11:00, GregFL wrote:
"It is also suspect that the seed started out one way, then wammo, got a cool million from Dupont, a rabid synanon supporter, became like the synanon for a couple years, then slowly went back to its original roots ( a goofy creepy cult).
I really would like to solve this puzzle....
"
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I'm getting pretty well convinced that that's it. Dupont has stayed involved w/ Straight and the Semblers' cronnies to this day. Outside of Program circles, DuPont is known as Dr. Piss for his zealot advocacy of drug screening (which,in effect, is cannabis screening).
And the money and nepotism continues to flow to those programs that are most like Synanon. Daytop is one. Phoenix House is another. Anyone heard anything about Darryl Strawberry lately? I bet he's pretty thoroughly affected by now.
And, btw, I want to thank you all (all of you) once again for dropping in here and helping to fill in some of the blanks. I'm also much relieved to know that those of you who stayed involved for many years weren't subjected to the level of intensity and hostility that we who fell under the Synanon influenced program did for shorter spans. I honestly was worried about ya'll, ya' know? I'm glad it wasn't even 1/10th as bad as I had thought.
In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn?t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller
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