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GregFL:
When I was in the seed, you were escorted around as a newcomer by an oldcomer that was physically larger than you. If you were a boy, another boy put his arm around your shoulder and squeezed you in. The more compliant you were, the less hard the squeeze. If you were a misbehavior, the other kid would be real large and the grip real tight. Girls held the hands of newcomer girls.

In later years, the newer seed rippoff programs like Straight started Holding kids by the back of the belt, obstensably to get around the sexual ennuendo of girls holding hands and boys with arms around each other.  This became known as "beltlooping" the newcomer. The method was different but the intention and result was the same.

My question...When did the seed stop this practice, if ever?

90's Guy:
The practice did not exist in the 90's. The newcomer simply went back to the bathrrom by temselves. Remember we were back on Andrew's inside the building, which was a lot smaller space for people to move around by themselves. AS I  have stated before, there were were aspects of the program that were more relaxed. . .staff was getting older. . .people were more chilled out...they seemed to have given up on the intensity of the program, the yelling and such, although the authoritarian figures were still present. . .it was for the most part run part time and after the newcomer was there for about 3 weeeks, from 9-4, the group including staff would only stay from about 9-12:00, and the newby got a job, lived in a home with the guys or girls. . .but no no arms around each other, except the ritual of singing jingle bells.

Jimmy Cusick:
I cant believe the hours were 9-4. That is mucho different from when I was in 10-10 seven days a week. I dont really know about the arm around the shoulder thing, when I left Cleveland in 77 that was still going on. I remember John *** lived in the upstairs of a house and when he brought newcomers over he would walk them with his arm around them. The downstairs neighbors thought he was gay but he was too big to for them to say anything

90's Guy:
After about 1990, the hours were 9 -4. IT was fairly realxed in the group. I mean, every once in a while if someone needed to hear the "truth," it woulg get a little "in your face," but certainly nothing like twhat the 70's generation describes. Also, after a few weeks of the newcomer being on the front row, the hours were 9-12 since the staff had other businesses that they ran after their part-time seed job. I believe that the stagg also did not collect a salary for several of the last years, but then at the end were compensated for what theywere owed towards the end. It was pretty much of a part-time semi-volunteer situation the final years. We would, I remember, play tennis with the newcomer after 12:oo, graduates would take turn picking them up if they could get the afternnon off from work.

GregFL:
My god,playing tennis with the newcomer at noon?


Who woulda thought? When I was in, at noon you had spent two hours and were now going to get a wet peanut butter sandwich and a small dixie cup of cool-aide. Then right back at it for 10 more hours with only a few breaks.

The seed really did change into something totally different.

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