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Sorry Folks, the Seed helped me!!!
Anonymous:
Jimmy, I am very happy that everything is going good for you.
The Seed allowed me to do more than I ever could have imagined in my life. I was totally screwed up in drugs and was desparately unhappy. I never had any confidence in myself and would never have done anything possitive were it not for the Seed and the tools that I was given. There is not a day that goes by that I don't use what I have learned.
Antigen - I think that we all have the choice in life to make right or wrong decisions. I have had my life together for over 30 years and never once went back to drugs. I have had ups and downs but the tools have been what has made me make the right choices. It seems to me that you are very resentful towards the Seed. I was there for many years and saw lots of people change their lives around including myself. I feel offended by your being so negative towards others when they are trying to express themselves. You should have a little more sensativity and think about how you might affect them by what you are saying.
Anonymous:
Maybe if you actually tried to live in the real world and deal with people from all walks of life instead of your seed cucoon, you might not be so "offended" by the fact that other people actually have opinions that differ from yours. I'm thinking that you have not really been exposed to much of the real world.
Folks who have trouble staying straight - maybe their trouble is because they actually live life and get out there everyday and are challenged in ways that people who live the the clositered seed life could never ever be able to handle. And whyis that? Because those "tools" are not the "be all and end all" they were made out to be. Maybe because it only works when you use them in a safe secure environment.
GregFL:
to the first anon above..if this is your first post welcome to our forum!.
30 years ago, eh? Me too. However, I am a graduate and did not have such an easy go of it. Nowadays I can take a drink at leisure without spiraling down into an alcholic failure ridden one way street or needing to get drunk after drinking one beer or a glass of wine. I AM NOT POWERLESS!
Why? Why are you able to stay "straight" for so long while others, even staunch seed advocates, admittedly struggle with drugs and alchohol so many years later? What gives? How important is it to you to stay straight? Is it necessary...what I mean is, if you had a drink or god forbid smoked some pot, would your life end as you know it? Would you somehow change the direction of your life? Would you end up hopelessly screwed up?
Enlighten us here on the mentality necessary to proclaim you have been "fixed" for 30 years.
Oh, and by the way, were you ever addicted to anything? How old were you when you went in the seed?
Thanks in advance for your participation here.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-05 20:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Jimmy, I am very happy that everything is going good for you.
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Jesus Christ on a broken crutch! You obviously never got to know an authentic addict! Jimmy, please know that we're all pulling for ya', heart and soul. I don't recall if you said you were kicking an opiate addiction or not, but that's what I assume by the way you put it. If so, some of us understand that "going well" is probably not the very first phrase to spring to mind when you get up to face the new day. But it does get much better. You must be at least 45 by now and (you can check this), statistically, people who make it to your age almost always kick successfully and permanently right about now.
--- Quote ---I was totally screwed up in drugs and was desparately unhappy. I never had any confidence in myself ...
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Don't you understand that all adolescents feel that way at some point? Think of all the kids who landed on front row for a "druggie attitude" (usually the younger brothers and sisters of initial Seed intakes) But the same schpeel worked on them pretty good, even on those who had NO drug experiece, let alone excessive use.
Never the less, for millions of years, most kids have found their bearing and grown up just fine, even w/o The Seed.
--- Quote ---and would never have done anything possitive were it not for the Seed and the tools that I was given.
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That's extremely hard to believe. Nothing positive? Ever? Not a thing? There was nothing that could have happened, other than The Seed, that might have influenced you to change your ways? That is something you can't possibly know because it didn't happen. Just like I don't know what might have been if my family hadn't gotten involved in The Seed. I can tell you that The Seed did NOT bring us together or keep any of us off of drugs.
--- Quote ---There is not a day that goes by that I don't use what I have learned.
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Naturally. What else are you gonna use? You didn't take another path so you didn't learn other stuff.
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Antigen - It seems to me that you are very resentful towards the Seed.
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Yeah, no shit! 10 years of living under that cloud and then landing up in The Seed, The Sequel followed by getting the boot from the family for leaving the Program will do that to a person!
--- Quote ---I was there for many years and saw lots of people change their lives around including myself. I feel offended by your being so negative towards others when they are trying to express themselves.
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I'm not being negative toward anybody. I'm being critical of the Program. There's a difference. You are not The Program. You are a person who was involved w/ The Program.
--- Quote --- You should have a little more sensativity and think about how you might affect them by what you are saying."
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And so should you. Look, I know this is not something you're used to hearing, but most of the people who I know who bought in on these programs struggle w/ substance abuse and/or cripling depression far more than those who never went or those of us who never bought in.
Why? I think it's obvious. One of the core beliefs of the Program (be it AA/NA, Seed, Sraight or any other variety of stepcraft) is that you are weak and powerless and, any minute now, you're liable to "relapse" into your incurable, fatal disease.
I've had a rough year. No, I had a really easy half a year ending about a year ago, the rest has been unusually stressful for quite some time. If I believed the above dogma, I'd be stinking drunk right now. As an alcoholic, it would be my duty.
But I don't believe that. Never did. And so I can have a few beers one night, get up the next day, take my kid to her clinic at the hospital, learn all I need to about any changes in her IV or other meds that I'll have to administer later (on time, correctly and w/ good sterility practices), handle a car wreck on the way home (thankfully, just a couple of old beaters got a little uglier and no one was hurt) and NOT go on a bender.
I keep my life together because, unlike my two most unfortunate brothers, I never bought in. And when I say to Jimmy that it might be worth a try to re-examine the beliefs that have obviously not been working so well for him for the last 30 years, I am being very sensitive to how it may effect him. How sensitive are you being when you say, essentially, "well, if you would just work your program like I do..."
:roll: Friends like these!
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Anonymous:
very true Ginger, and the problem here as I see it is that program people almost always mistake program criticism as a personal attack. It is to be expected tho, because they identify so strongly with the Seed cult.
I agree with your points above...had you been a stepcraft devotee and gone thru your series of events lately, no doubt you would be knee deep in a "relapse" and also deep in depression for once again being a failure. Then you would be furiously "working your program".
Why can't people see what a dead end this lie.. this "gift" really is?
A very very very small segment of the population is so weak and disjointed that they need to "step" their way thru drugs and alcohol. Then there are those that find a society of steppers as an alternative to actually making friends and building a real life, and these people build a phony addiction around their stepcraft affiliation and teach themselves to believe their own deception. These are the saddest of all IMO.
The rest of the world just quits when the negatives outway the positives...
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