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The Common Denominator

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cleveland:
I guess I knew there were other 'programs,' and I had even read a lot of the posts here. But I still thought of the Seed as different. It's shocking to see the same language and program details are still in use today. That IS shocking to me.

Jimmy Cusick:
I was truly shocked to see a carbon copy of the seed exist. WOW. The only difference is Art Barker isnt being driven in a limo by a black man. KHK charges state residents $19,500 for a lifetime of treatment. Such a deal we have for you. Money, money, money and then more money. WOW.  Now I know what made the seed tick for over 20 years.  Money, money, money.

GregFL:
No, it isn't common knowledge. But here is what happened. Certain people involved in the St Pete Seed, parents and Helen Peterman, set out to make a new improved seed called Straight, Inc. This clone flourished under the leadership and political ties of Melvin Sembler, Seed parent. As this monster grew, offshoots happened, Like Helen Peterman's life program and Virgil Millers Kids Program.

Kidshelpingkids is a product of Straight, Inc.  which was a direct copy of the seed right down to the songs, the placement of the chairs, the "raps" , the steps, Everything.

 Art's abusive program lives on thru these programs and others like SAFE, Pathways, and a few others. Still other Seed and straight graduates have gone on to garner positions of power in other drug rehabs that have resulted in strange programs that blend elements of the seed.

This is one reason this forum is important to me, to let it be known that our little secret never died, it just got played out on new generations.

GregFL:
you gotta love this crap...



Warning Signs

How do I know if my teen is on drugs?
Their behavior is a key indicator. See the checklist.


Has your child...(Check all that apply)
___seemed depressed
___become rebellious and defiant
___had trouble with the law
___had a bad attitude
___avoided you upon arriving home
___become increasingly isolated
___had a drop in grades
___required extra sleep
___dropped out of favorite activities
___changed friends
___started looking unkempt or unhealthy
___changed image/clothes/personal style
___been caught lying
___possessed unexplained money
___threatened or attempted suicide
___frequently broken curfew
___been fired from work
___come home high or drunk
___destroyed car or property

Do you...

___ argue with your spouse about your child?s behavior
___ feel anger or dislike for your child
___ fear you are a failure as a parent
___ ?bargain? with your child to change
___ compromise your own values
___ lower your expectations
__feel frustrated because nothing seems to change ___your child?s behavior
___ cover up for your child
___ make excuses for your child
___ feel relieved when your child leaves the house
___ give money to your child
___ fear your child might injure him/herself
___ fear your child might injure others
___ desire to spend less time at home
___ fear your child is out of control


You have checked ___ boxes

If you have checked 4 or more boxes, click here to get help now!

 
Just like the Seed, this program offers "solutions" to all family problems. Just lock up little Johnny and brainwash him, make him admit it is all his fault, and make him confess to problems he doesn't have.

BINGO! Instant resolution and absolution of all fault for the parents, and instant micro control over the child.

Unreal that in 2004/2005 this abusive nonsense still exists.

GregFL:
The history of Kids helping kids according to them...


History of Kids Helping Kids


In the late seventies, early eighties, there were no beds in the Cincinnati area designated for treatment of chemically dependent adolescents. Drugs, however, had sifted down into the high schools and junior highs. Parents were beginning to see the behavioral symptoms that accompany adolescent poly substance abuse. A psychologist who was working for a therapeutic community for adolescents in Florida did a presentation in a Northern Kentucky School Auditorium. It was well attended by parents who were having problems with their children. One Cincinnati couple enrolled their son in the Florida Program. Then another. Through word of mouth, several families found their way to that program. They became convinced that Cincinnati needed a program such as it.

Those parents organized as a 501 (C) 3 private, non-profit corporation , wrote Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws and did lots of fund raising. In July, 1981, eleven teens were transferred from the LIFE Program in Florida to Kids Helping Kids which was then located in a leased facility in Northern Kentucky.

Life was a program, an offshoot, of Straight, located in Sarasota Florida and headed up by Helen Peterman. Helen Peterman was the intake lady at the St Pete Seed (she did my intake in 1973) and later was on the founding incorporators of Straight, Inc.

This is the real history... Kids is a linear descendent of the St Pete Seed program.

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