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The Common Denominator
cleveland:
For the past few months, after learning a lot about my particular experience with The Seed, and then learning about other programs, past and present, from this site and others, I feel compelled to try to isolate the essence of this experience, what makes it so powerful, seductive, defendable, and potentially dangerous.
It seems that the first goal of all of these programs is to make the individual compliant and responsive to authority. The second goal, is to make 'the program' the most important thing in the individual's life. The third goal is to enshroud the entire process in secrecy, and to divide the world into those who 'get it,' and those who 'just don't get it.' The final goal is to try to get everyone else to 'get it.'
These four goals interact with one another. They reinforce each other.
Individually, they seem like good things. When a kid is 'out of control,' or an adult is 'in the throes of addition,' isn't it good to repect authority and to be compliant? And if the 'program' shows you the way, aren't you correct in being grateful? And aren't you right to reject or hold at arms length, all of those old friends 'out there' who dragged you down, or your fucked up family - even the 'outside world' itself, with all of it's problems? And isn't it right to be secretive, because remember the full light of 'the program' was only revealed to you in stages, before you yourself 'got it?' And now, being saved, being grateful, and having 'got it,' don't you wish everyone did - friends, family and coworkers, and woe to those who don't, poor fools.
But isn't this a strange little world you're in? No room for dissent, rational thought, freedom? Isn't it a bit like 1984 that you read when you were a rebellious teen, with its Big Brother and its Anti-Sex League, its Double Speak and its 'love' and brutality?
And even years later, after you've left the Mormon Church, of the Moonies, or Scientology, or the Seed, aren't you kind of embarrassed about how devoted you were? Isn't it really hard to explain to others, now that you've rejoined the world? And besides, weren't you responsible because of your own shameful problems, and didn't you need the help? Everyone needs a little help from time to time - perhaps the ends justifies the means, and what's so bad about a little old-fashioned discipline, or a little love, anyway.
Or maybe you're angry. Fuck them, assholes. I don't even want to think about it. I'm embarrassed to see my shining, happy blissed out face, on the front row or in the pew or in 'the rooms' or whatever. Fuck them, fuck you for asking.
I don't care if it's the Seed, AA, CEDU, Straight, KIDS, or behaviour mod boarding schools. And it's also not to deny that some programs are 'better' and some 'worse.' They all do the same things. That seems to be the routine, and why it's so hard for us to talk about it rationally today.
cleveland:
It is still going on, exactly as I remember it!
See the site:
http://www.kidshelpingkids.com/Program.html
Fran:
Wow that site just gave me the chills!! KHK is a clone of the seed. And $22,000.00!!!! Wow!!
Antigen:
I'm tellin ya! That one is actually a spin-off of The Seed. It was started by George Ross after he left Straight as executive director (or medical director, I don't remember offhand) Then Virgil got involved. Then Virgil took some heat and became not involved. Then Ross took some heat and bounced off.
There are other very similar programs that all seem to go back to CEDU and Provo Canyon by roughly similar ties. These programs predate The Seed and it's spin-offs, but have remarkably similar structures and histories (not to mention strong financial and political ties to a certain faction of the Rebubican Party sometimes called "the extra chromosome Republicans")
Then there are the entirely religious based programs, like Bethel Boys and Bethel Girls, Mountain Park, Victory Christian Academy in Jay, Florida. I don't know of any ties between these programs and Synanon, and yet they use essentially the same methods. And, btw, there are Büsh ties to some of the Texas based outfits as well as to the Character First (Institute of Basic Life Principles; Bill Gothard) programs and seminars.
Looking into this has been a long, strange, mind-blowing trip for me! I think I liked it better when I was just a little paranoid, but the rest of the world was more-or-less OK. But here it is, plain as the nose on your face. So... how to respond? What to do? So far, my first and best instinct has been rampant talking out in group.
What do yenz think?
I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Anonymous:
I'm confused. Is it really NEWS to people that KHK is a direct spinoff? I honestly thought that was common knowledge.
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