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Antigen:
When I first started looking into this, I assumed that there was some direct link among all similar programs; like a person such as Bobby DuPont or all Programs being tracable to some source of origin.

Many of them are, but many are not. At least I can't find the smoking gun.

Then, one day, I decided to sit down and explain my weird little hobby to a good friend. It was a risk! She's a very devout Catholic, raised in the mountains in Haiti and married to a social worker. But she did ask and she is a good friend and very insightful about a lot of things, so I took the chance.

By the time I was done explaining, as best I could, the methods and practices and how they'd scrambled my head for a time, she said "Yeah, zombies".

She then explained to me how, in Haiti, there are scheisters who go around calling themselves Zombi masters. They take advantage of people in crisis, like orphans or refugees or addicts or people w/ illnesses that are untreatable in that part of the world. They convince their marks that they are hopeless and certain to die, that they (the "master") are omnicient and omnipotent and have supernatural powers to save them and that, only through scrupulous obedience to the master can they be saved.

People fall for it. Aparently, this scam is as old as the hills.

In Haiti, where most people believe that illness or bad luck are the direct result of pissing off the wrong witch doctor, that's the schtick that works. In modern America, were most people believe that drugs and teen rebellion are the root of all evil, that's the schtick that works. In some enclaves, like the ones where characters like Bill Gothard and Craig Rogers find good hunting grounds, it's the Devil (or "the avisary"[sic]) at the bottom of things.

But it's essentially the same ol'e same ol'e.

The addressible problem, as I see it, is public sector involvement in this scam.



Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright
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marshall:
http://www.sosbehindbars.com/cult.htm

Ft. Lauderdale:
Antigen,
I don't remember singing "ouw eee ouw ahh ahh bing bang wallah wallah bang bang. Thats the only witch doctor song I'm famillar with.
Ya know the girls "chicks" sometimes wore itzy bitzy teeny winnny yellow pokadot bikinni's do you think that was some sort of mind control as well?
 :silly:

Antigen:
Denial is the first symptom, Lauderdale.
The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic.
--Charles Robert Darwin, English naturalist
--- End quote ---

cleveland:
Marshall,

Very interesting link to SOS site. Unfortunately, the 'Why the 12 Steps Works for Some' link doesn't work, but it made me think:

I have been to meetings of groups that are pyramid schemes, and also to religious groups, in addition to the seed. Something that is common for me in these experiences is that there were always people who could testify that they had GOT it, really got it. And they were convincing because - it was true! But, just like a pyramid sales scheme, most of the attention/love/power flows upward, giving some people so much, and leaving precious little for most of the little folks at the bottom who crave it, but can clearly see it exemplified in some in the group. Does this make sense?

So, there are some seedlings that really had so much from the group, but very many who could only taste it a little. I knew some were favored, while I was left with small amounts of attention, with a call to duty and sacrifice. I thought the lack was mine.

So, posting here are some who got so much, some who couldn't achieve that level. And here we are arguing about it because we think our own reality applies to others.

But this is so clear to me right now...I can return to that tantalizing feeling I had in the group that I was so close to achieving happiness and esteem..but I only got enough to keep me hanging on. To those of you who got, I hope I don't seem bitter to you...

Walter

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