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« Reply #375 on: January 22, 2005, 10:36:00 AM »
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On 2005-01-22 06:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To the person that thinks they can take my inventory.

Sorry, most of us don't speak 'program' anymore.  Please refrain from using cultspeak.

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Our society becomes more and more open sexually, while that is great for adults, it is not for the kids. The Internet lets kids see porn and that is where they are getting thier sexual knowledge. I did not see a porn magazine until i was 16, and did not see a porn movie until i was 19. While the kids of my generation where just as curious about sex, they did not have it on the scale it is happening today and at such early ages. Too many kids are having sex too early these days.

Again....WAKE UP PARENTS.  Where are the parents while all this is going on?  

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Also I get along with these kids because, not to toot my own horn but i am allot hipper than most transporters.


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« Reply #376 on: January 22, 2005, 11:15:00 AM »
I agree that it is a movie. To ASSume that this girl ends up ok is just that an ASSumption. Not fact. Please, she may have ended up ok she may not have.
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« Reply #377 on: January 22, 2005, 11:22:00 AM »
This is STUPID.  I just talked to my daughter about the movie.  I asked her if she felt that it was an accurate portrayal of a 13 year old (she's 17 now).  She said UNEQUIVOCABLY....NO.  Yes, there were some FEW exceptions when she was in middle school, but VERY FEW.  Again, some good lessons can be learned from it, but DAMN people.....you're acting like it's a fucking documentary!!!!
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« Reply #378 on: January 22, 2005, 11:28:00 AM »
The parents did see it happening and the girl would respond with fuck off. I have also writen in the past, that i do blame the parents for thier child having gotten to this point that they need to be sent a way. They are ginen too much freedom and the parents are not involved in thier childs life enough. I am no programie. I have my own views. What ever I say has not been told to me by any program. So you can take your cult speak and put it where the sun don't shine asswhole. The one who cares
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« Reply #379 on: January 22, 2005, 11:28:00 AM »
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"Niles get over i am very over your immature pokes and insults directed towards me by you. Get a life. You have allot of deep anger, you need to get thereapy!!! This boy might have been lieing. I am not advocating to send teens away just for sex, but example i picked up a 15 year old girl, and her entire room had been writen all over the walls by her and her friends. Stuff so sexual not teen should even know about. The parents found dildos and used condoms in thier basement. The girl was also doing drugs. How would you fell if your daughter had such disrespect for you as to do that to her room and also the poor girl had no idea that she was giving away her most precious possession, her viginity.I won't even get into what i read on that girls wall. The last boy was not sent away because of sex by the way. I mentioned for all of you to watch the movie Thirteen, no one replied? Has anyone seen it? You all should.

niles i will no longer respond to anything you post to me. The one waho cares"



Obviously the girl has some smarts because she was using condoms! So what she wrote on her walls? Typical teenage shock value behaviors. No one is going to stop a teen from having sex. Talk to them and give them protection against pregnancy and STDs.


What kinds of drugs was the girl using? Most teens experiment and grow out of it. It seems to me if parents were doing their jobs as parents from day one these kids would not engage in risky behaviors. Maybe the parents should be sent away to an institution to learn how to raise children better. When we were kids doing all of our own risky stuff we learned our behaviors directly or indirectly from our parents.
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« Reply #380 on: January 22, 2005, 11:35:00 AM »
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On 2005-01-22 08:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The parents did see it happening and the girl would respond with fuck off.

Their fault.  Why punish the kid for the parent's sins???  Ok, I fucked up my kid so now I need to send them to strangers to have her fixed for me. Fuck!!!!!  What is WRONG with you people?????

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So you can take your cult speak and put it where the sun don't shine asswhole. The one who cares"


I don't use cultspeak.  That's part of YOUR job!!!  And if you're going to insult me, at least spell it right ASSHOLE!! :lol:
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« Reply #381 on: January 22, 2005, 11:47:00 AM »
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 They are ginen too much freedom and the parents are not involved in thier childs life enough.


Freedom can be a great thing.  I think it was Timoclea that said 'freedom within limits'.  I like that.  Yes, parents need to have some control over their kids lives, but they also need to realize that the process of breaking away from parents, finding their own autonomy, understanding that they have a mind of their own INCLUDES doing stupid, wreckless shit.  IF parents set REASONABLE expectations for their kids (and stick to those), talk WITH (not AT) them about the dangers of life, set a good example they'll get through those dangerous years.  Maybe not unscathed, but hey...none of us get out of adolescence unscathed...it's PART of the growing up process.  I am NOT saying let the kid run wild and do whatever they want, but if you stifle the NATURAL process of cutting the apron strings all you're doing is prolonging that process and then they DO end up doing crazier, more dangerous things and very often (as in my case after the program) do it at an inappropriate age where it interferes with life much more than as a teen.
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« Reply #382 on: January 22, 2005, 11:50:00 AM »
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On 2005-01-22 08:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is STUPID.  I just talked to my daughter about the movie.  I asked her if she felt that it was an accurate portrayal of a 13 year old (she's 17 now).  She said UNEQUIVOCABLY....NO.  Yes, there were some FEW exceptions when she was in middle school, but VERY FEW.  Again, some good lessons can be learned from it, but DAMN people.....you're acting like it's a fucking documentary!!!!"


Guess what movie we're watching now???? :grin:
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« Reply #383 on: January 22, 2005, 12:07:00 PM »
I haven't seen the movie Thirteen, so I can't even guess what the author's intention was or wasn't.  What I find interesting is the different perceptions expressed here.

Program supporters invision a negative or 'uncertain' ending. They apparently have a very difficult time imagining a postive outcome without the use of program intervention. They over-exaggerate the risks. There's apparently little to no faith in human intelligence and the ability to resolve conflict.

Those who are in touch with reality, those who know that millions and millions - the overwhelming majority- of teens survive and live well without the aid of incarceration, those who know there are more humane ways to 'help', tend to invision a more positive outcome.

If we were in school and I were the teacher, the programmed would be required to write a research paper: How many teens in the US? How many participate in life-threatening, risky behavior?  How many teens actually die from these behaviors?
How many survive? What is the actual risk factor?
You guys REALLY need some perspective on this.

Parenting is stressful enough without being subjected to the rhetoric of the fear mongering, who live in a small little 'ticky tack' box and would like everyone else to join them there so they might feel their fears are substantiated.  :rofl:
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« Reply #384 on: January 22, 2005, 01:04:00 PM »
Yeah whatever. Notice how I said maybe? Maybe not? Yeah, whos to say how anyone ends up. I might have even been able to pull myself out of the rut I was in. Maybe maybe not. Who knows.
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« Reply #385 on: January 22, 2005, 01:06:00 PM »
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"Yeah whatever. Notice how I said maybe? Maybe not?


Yes, we did notice, but come on!!  We also noticed the inference there too.  At least be honest about that.
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« Reply #386 on: January 22, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
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"I don't know but the last kid that i transported who was 15 pointed to a gas station where he said he had sex with his girlfriend in the bathroom. The girl was 14. I think that is a shame and also disgusting in a gas station bathroom. I think Chi is not far off. Girls don't think a blow job is sex anymore, it's just like another base for them. The one who cares"


Just the other night, I was talking w/ a couple of friends of my 20 year old daughter when the topic of these forums came up. They were shocked, shocked! to hear that I had spent two years locked up. As I tried to explain that it wasn't like I had been ajudicated, no judge, no illegal activity or anything, they actually seemed to not hear it. They were too busy trying to impress me w/ all their tales about violent felony convictions, etc. (no details, mind you)

Now, I know this is not true of these boys! This is a very small town. I know the one kid's mother and just about all of their friends. Neither one had ever been in any bigger trouble than a scuffle in the school yard or a speeding ticket. But kids like to brag. They really do.

Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
                                     
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« Reply #387 on: January 22, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
No I don't own up to things that aren't true. Please, I am aware that there are tons of kids who get through their rebellious stages sans program help. But if you'd like to place me in an anti-realworld-program-is-the-only-solution postion go right ahead. I'm not as programized as you'd like me to be. Sorry.
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« Reply #388 on: January 22, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
I know Perri. But a lot of kids do make things up. Then there are those who fall for it and try to live up to other peoples stories. I know a kid like that. Exceptionally smart kid, always got good grades. She was sort of shy and she thought she was not good looking. So when she moved to a new neighborhood and it seemed like the way to be cool was to be mean and bad, she threw herself into the role. Her mom, at her wit's end, sent her to live w/ an older sister up here near Pittsburgh. I guess she was around 16 or 17 by then. And she was ready for a change, though she probably would not have said so if you'd asked her.

Now she's married, raising a beautiful 1yo son deep in the bossom of suburbia and, I think, relatively happy. While no one knows for sure what might have happened if she hadn't moved out of state, I sort of suspect this kid would have done just about the same anywhere you put her.

Like I've said before, there are damned good reasons why we all get a clean slate at the age of majority. Oh, and BTW, the traditional age of majority for European cultures is usually 21, not 18. The reason why America changed it to 18 was because of the Vietnam draft. The argument was that it was rediculous to force an 18yo kid to go kill and die for his country. Then when he gets home we tell him he can't have a damned beer? So the Nixon admin essentially said "Ok, give them some damned beer!" That was reversed in around `82 or so, just prior to my 18th birthday.


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« Reply #389 on: January 22, 2005, 01:58:00 PM »
By the way someone on a back post said something about the author of the movie. One of the 2 girls that star in the movie co-wrote it with her mother or step mother, but it was based on that girls experience. Also I was not trying to convince anyone about anything, I just thought this movie delt a little with what we do here on this board. The one who cares
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