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Mikey slashing his wrists
Jimmy Cusick:
Greg, The reason that I didnt remember Mikey's attempted suicide is because of "repressed" memories. The dictionary defines repressed as: The rejection from conciousness of anything unpleasant. That can be sexual abuse as a child or combat experiences in a war or a suicide or attempted suicide concerning someone we know. For years I didnt believe in repressed memories as my sisters accused someone very close of abusing them when they were children but didnt remember that until adulthood. I spoke to a psychologist with a P.H.D. who stated that repressed memories are very real.
My memory was triggered by reading a post about a suicide. Mikey's attempted suicide was associated with that and it took a direct avenue into my conciousness
I dont remember what ever happened to Mikey. Did the seed insist that he see a shrink? Was he sent to a therapist? Did the surgery work to repair his tendons? Did he stay at the seed and work out his problems? In my 14 months and 17 days at the Florida seed I never remember hearing about or seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist. I dont know what happened to the kids with serious mental or emotional problems, I suspect they just dissappeared as I dont think that would be talked about in group
Antigen:
No way in God's green Earth would Art ever recomend a shrink. Don't you remember the tirades against professional psychiatry?
Here's the thing, though. The Seed would take any teenager. Some Seedlings, especially younger brothers and sisters, landed on front row just for posession of a druggie attitude. Many kids landed up there because a Seedling, who had made their newcomer confession, had been a friend (so, naturally, that kid must be a druggie too seeing as how druggieness is such a highly contagious disease effecting 90% of all youth, right?)
So the typical Seed intake population was pretty representative of the broader population of kids. However, Seedlings and Straightlings have a rate of suicide attempts and success far and away higher than the general population. Every single suicide attempt I've ever heard of among people I've known personally was a Program client. Not one of my olddruggiefriends or their friends who had not gone through the Program has tried to kill themselves that I ever heard about.
Dude, I'm sorry you were so despondent that you tried to slit your wrists w/ a safety razor. And I can just imagine the come down rap afterward and how therapeutic that was for you. But I do not believe that you were driven to this kind of desperation by realizing the truth about yourself. I think the Programming got to ya. It happened to a lot of kids.
Know what Bobby DuPont used to tell reporters about it? He said that suicidal ideation was part of withdrawal from marijuana. What a fucking load! No, suicidal ideation is a possible consequence of isolation, sleep management, severe stress and extreme humiliation. Bobby DuPont knew this when he gave Art $1 Million+ to expand The Seed.
you Momma is a big fat's ________
--Leroy Brown
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Robin Martin:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-18 09:24:00, Antigen wrote:
"No way in God's green Earth would Art ever recomend a shrink. I TOTALLY AGREE
Not one of my olddruggiefriends or their friends who had not gone through the Program has tried to kill themselves that I ever heard about.
I think the Programming got to ya...What a fucking load!
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OK Ginge, let me give you a reality check and tell you about some of MY olddruggiefriends: Ed-18, (one of those perpetually happy people, that always offered his shoulder to cry on) found dead from asphyxiation sitting in his running VW parked in a closed garage; My ex-boyfriend, Paul-16 in Jr. High, straight A student, spoke Latin fluently (his 3rd language) - took so much acid over a period of time, he fried his brain. (I had previously broke up w/ him because he was spiraling down quickly) He was in and out of mental institutions and when I visited him at his mom?s house after I graduated Seed, he was but a shell of a person; Debbie-17, shot something into her arm that ?would finally end the pain? - it did; then there was Daryl-17, after raping a girl and having her boyfriend watch, fatally shot the two young lovers on Dunedin Beach one night ? serving time on death row unless he's already gone.
None of these kids were in the Seed - just me! and next month I'm going to be celebrating ANOTHER year on this planet...go figure.
DO NOT think your reality is everyones - it isn't.
Peace
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-18 16:47:00, Robin Martin wrote
OK Ginge, let me give you a reality check and tell you about some of MY olddruggiefriends: Ed-18, (one of those perpetually happy people, that always offered his shoulder to cry on) found dead from asphyxiation sitting in his running VW parked in a closed garage; My ex-boyfriend, Paul-16 in Jr. High, straight A student, spoke Latin fluently (his 3rd language) - took so much acid over a period of time, he fried his brain. (I had previously broke up w/ him because he was spiraling down quickly) He was in and out of mental institutions and when I visited him at his mom?s house after I graduated Seed, he was but a shell of a person; Debbie-17, shot something into her arm that ?would finally end the pain? - it did; then there was Daryl-17, after raping a girl and having her boyfriend watch, fatally shot the two young lovers on Dunedin Beach one night ? serving time on death row unless he's already gone.
None of these kids were in the Seed - just me! and next month I'm going to be celebrating ANOTHER year on this planet...go figure.
DO NOT think your reality is everyones - it isn't.
Peace"
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Well, let's see. Here's the opposite side of that coin. Of the friends I hung out with before going in, all, I repeat...ALL are fairly successful, well adjusted, happy people. These were people that were all doing many more drugs than I would have dreamed of doing before going in. Somehow they made it through adolescense without benefit of any program. I, on the other hand, was considered a 'lightweight' before going in. How is it that I came out of there with so many problems/issues/PTSD and ended up more screwed up than I was before going in, but the people who I was told were going to die because they weren't as lucky as I was or as loved as I was, are fine?????
To borrow from you....DO NOT think your reality is everyones - it isn't.
Robin Martin:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-18 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote: Somehow they made it through adolescense without benefit of any program.
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NO DOUBT...but I wasn't one of them. All I'm saying is some of us needed it, many did not. I also believe it takes a strong spirit to be able to seek help and move on. Some of us are stronger than others...others are more sensative. We all handle difficult situations in our own unique way. I've had some very traumatic incidents over the years (and even when I questioned giving up) I DID NOT give in!! I remain in contact w/ ex-druggie friends of mine who were walking down that same path as I, and you know what?? They just quit doing drugs - just like that!! How did they do that? I have no idea - it was not in me at the time and I NEEDED assistance. I'm sorry that so many of you suffered at the hands of the Seed, but I, did not.
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