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Anonymous:
No, I think Art was the only ONE that was helped by the SEED.  It helped him financially.  Although abusing children wont help him to get into heaven.

GregFL:
Sorry I havent been around much, I am out of the country and not near a computer.

Antigen and Cleveland make good points in this thread, and Robin, I am sorry but it is a bit hard to swallow that at fifteen, in St Pete, in 1973, you were "shooting up anything that fit in a needle". That is truly an unusual circumstance. I grew up in St Pete in that era and I remember no one that was fifteen in your circumstance.

Now, it could be true.  I certainly know some people from that era that died from drugs, and I even knew a bonafide Heroin addict that went in under coercsion and is now a lawyer. Was he helped? I guess if you ask him he would say yes. Was Robin helped? If her memory is accurate, yes.

The problem is for most people that is a ruse, and embellishing drug use was not only expected but required. Pretty soon most people started believing their own stories about how they were dying. I even remember 12 year olds giving that speech.

So Robin, please forgive those that question your story. It is squarely pegged in within thousands of embellished stories. Yours may be true but the Seed culture of bullshitting about your past colores peoples perceptions about it, especially when you are so squarely in the Seed camp.

Sorry if that is offensive but it is honest.

On the bigger point being made, certainly people with drug problems went to the seed. It was supposedly a drug rehab after all. Many many more went because they smoked a few joints, shoplifted and got caught, stole the family car for a joyride, because they used some drugs in junior or high school.

Very very few were addicts and needed radical experimental behavior modification. Most needed a family that wasnt disfunctional, and trading their disfunctional family for arts nuthouse was often more destructive than just staying home and taking your chances.

It was for me.

cleveland:
I don't know Ginger, something about the way you put things...I like the combatitiveness of it sometimes. You always engage with people here, even when you disagree, and I respect that. Challenge away!

Anonymous:
I just returned from a trip back to where I was living the summer before I went into the seed. like most things in the past they look/present so differently when you see them w/ time. I passed places I spoke about on the front row and years after to people on their front row. I don't have as many issues w/ my time in the program as I do with my time after i 'graduated' in the 80's that really didn't mean as much - I didn't graduate for a 1 1/2 yrs. [my parents had dough] and i stayed for another year and half because everyone else stayed.
Many people I grew up with are dead, the first guy I ever had sex with was shot during a stupid coke deal [are there any smart ones???] he thought a hand gun was a cigarette lighter...Another friend was murdered in the woods they never found the killer/s.
The truth is none of us will ever no where we would have ended up if we had not entered the seed. Some of us were there for 'true drug probelms-whatever' I was fucked up, I was spoiled, full of shit and you know what  I learned alot, I wish things had been different at SR84, that we could have been able to be let go of and allowed to have healthy relationships, that everyone outside of the seed was not viewed as being an asshole. I am rambling -

Anonymous:
I agree good post I feel the same way. Not all has been lost my friend I guess were still growing

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