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Anonymous:
Honesty and Freedom?

In the Seed?

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Anonymous:
I would say that is not true in my experiences.  I knew lots of people on my program that abused drugs for many years including myself.  I was also 15 at the time.

ccgar61:
Do me a favor Anon I resent very deeply what you posted. I had a very bad Coke problem about $ 200.00 a day in which I would bring myself down with a daily consumption of several Quaaludes or valium depending what I could get my hands on.
I make it a point to speak only for myself when I post allowing others with respect to post their opinions and ideas while never attacking or belittling anyone even if we have an opposing point of view.
 
You will never get an argument from me that the Seed had some negative aspects but at the same time I attribute the Seed with much of my successes. I was a member of the Seed for about 6 years, these years are filled with good memories and of course some regrets.
 
I guess according to you I was one of the four people the Seed actually helped.

?If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;?

Rudyard Kipling

cleveland:
Here's the thing for me: there really were people who came in with drug problems when I was there -one one guy who had lost a couple of his fingers from shooting up, in particular. These people really supported the argument at the time that the Seed was the alternative to death, jail or insanity...

There were also a lot of lightweights like me who had gotten high, and drank, but also came from unhappy families or had problems in school.
 
I wasn't stupid. I could see people being helped, and that was part of the reason I stuck around because I believed I was helping people, just by being there, going to raps and paying bills at the house where I lived. I eventually left, and I do have big problems with the model the Seed used and how it all ended up, but I would never argue with anyone who says they got help there. Nor would I argue with someone who said it was terrible for them. Each person will have to answer that for themselves.

The Seed was using peer pressure and a family model to change behavior. Maybe some of this is valuable, maybe not. We'll learn by reading these posts here, if we're all willing to be honest.

Antigen:
Argue? Sometimes, in my more intemperate moments. But question someone who says The Seed saved their life? Yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea. Here's why. I've met so many people over the last few years who spent years or decades wearing a hair shirt over the implanted beliefs about their past before the Program. It's hard to live with, whether it's true or not, ya' know? And if it's not true (as in most cases, maybe yours, maybe not) it's just a damned shame. Years of needless mental torment.

So yeah, I question anyone who starts rattling off an oldcomer introduction to me and some folks have said they're glad I did.

India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman

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