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« on: October 27, 2004, 03:53:00 PM »
I recently saw that idiot Kerry with a side by side shotgun, doing a photo op, he was talking to the press, gun loaded, finger on the trigger.  The jackass also had no hearing or eye protection. Just like everything else the man, he was faking it, did not have a clue.  He was just trying to kiss the N.R.A's ass.  KERRY IS A FOOL.   ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::armed::   [ This Message was edited by: southern boy on 2004-10-27 12:54 ]
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 03:59:00 PM »
and GW and his cronies are fascists.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 04:03:00 PM »
Anonymous you ignorant fuck, you are in a fantasy land.   :flame:  :flame:
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2004, 05:45:00 PM »
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"and GW and his cronies are fascists.   "


Ok, fascists, and what else? Pigs etc, what a fucking sixties throw back. Some of you think that if Kerry gets in we are going to fall into this wonderful utopian peaceful society. Wake the fuck up!!!!! it doesn't exists and never will. So keep getting high with your kids and let them call you by your first name. I am really curious, other than Kerry not being Bush, what concrete plan has he laid out to change anything??? NONE he hasn't other than jacking the taxes up the middle classes ass which is what he will do , he has no plan to change anything. Ask yourself this, uder the current tax laws he and his wife the ketchup lady have a effective tax od 12% do you? I don't I am double that. Do you really think he is going to change anything so him and those like him pay more and your sorry asses pay less? Wrong.....All I have to say if Kerry gets in get ready to cash in your Ben Franklins for Euro Dollars because thats were his UN ass kissing is going to take us.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 06:17:00 PM »
Amen Patriot, Theresa Kerry seems like the second coming of Hitlary Clinton, what is it with these wimp-ass Democrats and their psycho wives.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 08:26:00 PM »
Doy you people have any idea how much damage G.W.Bush has done in the World.  His doctrine of preemptive strike means that any country in the world could be a target of our attack.  Why?  The next generation in the middle east has a whole new reason to hate America, as if they didn't have enough before.  China is revamping it's nuclear arsenal in response to American threat.  We already have enough nukes to blow up the world like 300 times, yet the idiot in charge wants to develop new, smaller scale ones (wouldn't that make them more likely to be used).  Then wouldn't the rest of the world retalliate?  This guy (Bush) is trying to bring about the Apocalypse, and he thinks he's on a mission from God.  

How can any person who claims to follow the teachings of Christ be in support of perpetual war, and at the same time try and make abortion illegal.  Do the people who support Bush really look at the issues, or are they just victims of political propaganda?  I mean, really how can you support this guy?  Why, for what reason? Whether Kerry is a great leader or not, he cannot do any more harm than Bush.  This has been the worst presidency perhaps in American history.  He hasn't made anything more safe.  More countries are developing Nukes, because now we look like a global threat.  I mean, the technology isn't that difficult.

In '03 the US, under Bush, refused a UN treaty to Ban Nuclear Tests.  The US is trying to force others to disarm, yet we're building more nukes?  How hipocrital can you get?  [ This Message was edited by: Antny on 2004-10-27 17:29 ]
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2004, 09:11:00 PM »
Premptive strikes can actually be a deterent to an assualt, if you allow yourself to walked over people will walk on you.  Iraq should have been taken care of the first time around.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2004, 10:44:00 PM »
Damage to the world?  REVAMPING their arsenal?!  Clinton helped them develop their arsenal!  Prior to Loral and Hughes and Clinton the Chinese couldn't launch a rocket to save their lives!  What's more, they were the ones who targeted us.  Screw China-I can't wait to see their own internal contradictions tear their society apart and force them into decline.

As for the middle east, let's not forget they hate us anyway.  WE'RE NOT MUSLIMS.  That's enough for them.
We also support Israel, which is also sufficient for them to hate us.

Yeah, so we have nukes, so what?  Does that scare you?  Because many of our enemies have them, too.  I'm more scared of theirs than I am of ours.  And I only hope that, thanks to our many DECADES of stated policy not to use them first, if we ever have to REACT to a nuclear attack we use an overwhelming and disproportionate amount of force to turn the offending power into charcoal and glass.  
Nukes don't cause nuclear wars.  Ignorant violent psychotic villains do.  That's why we try to contol that crap from being spread.  Sadly, the Chinese you worry so much about, the North Koreans, Germany, Russia, and France are all too happy to move that stuff around.  As I write this the news is just starting to break-it isn't on the national networks yet-that the RUSSIAN SPETZNAZ moved Saddam's high explosives at Al-Qaqaa facility for him to Syria just before we occupied the nation.  So much for trust between nations.  

Just to make this crystal clear let me explain something.  Say what you want about Bush, but at least he has tried to run American policy from a position of strength.  In foreign affairs NO ONE respects you if you deal with them from a position of weakness.  Even your allies don't really care much for you if you're weak.  Weak leaders and weak policy mean events like Somalia.  I remember the pathetic way we sent troops in there to protect the humanitarian aid people only to deny them the arms and equipment they needed out of political considerations.  You know what that leads to.  On the global stage you need to act with strength and iron will or be a pushover for 2nd and 3rd string countries who are willing to use the UN, the GATT, the World Court, NAFTA and other entangling agreements and organizations to hamstring us.    
Enjoy-Polarbear
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2004, 08:22:00 AM »
Read how fascist Italy came to power in the pre-WWII period.  Sounds very much like what is going on today in the USA.  You may be from the south, as I am, but obviously you never did your history home-work; you and "the patriot" should try reading for a change and not just pouring shit from your mouth.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 09:23:00 AM »
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"Read how fascist Italy came to power in the pre-WWII period.  Sounds very much like what is going on today in the USA.  You may be from the south, as I am, but obviously you never did your history home-work; you and "the patriot" should try reading for a change and not just pouring shit from your mouth.   "


Just because we disagree doesn't make you anymore right than me Anon its called differance of opinions and beliefs. Thank god the people , like my grandpaents and the rest of the WWII generation had enough nads to do the right thing or we would now be a part of Germany. Don't challange me on history while you hide behind that little bag on your head fool. You bleeeding heart liberals make me sick, for some reason you think hardend criminals and child molestors can be rehabilitaed, you can reason with terrorists, and you want to be dependant on government and redistribute the wealth. Not here pal, there are still places like that, Cuba, China , North Korea, Italy. Am I a Republican? hell no a independant that has served his country in many places in the world and have seen and experianced enough outside of this country to know that no matter how fucked up our goverment is, it still works better than the rest. I am sure Anon that you are right in line with John 'F'ing Kerrry's "Global Test" in that we would have to ask the permission of a bunch of Dictators in the UN permission to protect ourselves....Bullshit, Does this offend you ? if so good! if not then I am offended...lol learn how to enjoy some good old fashion debate for god sake. One thing I have found is that a true far left Liberal can not handle somebody disagreeing with them , they hate that, and I love to stir up the pot. Bunch of whinning fucking brats.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2004, 10:15:00 AM »
why do republicans think that every person that disagrees with them is a bleeding heart liberal or just plain ole liberl?  you know, there are some dems that are considered moderate, or blue dog as they call 'em in the south.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2004, 01:53:00 PM »
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On 2004-10-27 19:44:00, Polarbear ..  Screw China-I can't wait to see their own internal contradictions tear their society apart and force them into decline.



As for the middle east, let's not forget they hate us anyway.  WE'RE NOT MUSLIMS.  That's enough for them.

We also support Israel, which is also sufficient for them to hate us.



You're certainly right about the fact that lots of people in the middle east hate us, and our current occupation of Iraq, and pre-emptive war against them gave them a whole new reason to attack us.  A newly energized Jihad against the US.

Certainly, we were correct to attack Al Queda in response to 9/11.  Why did we forget about that attack and invade Iraq?  They were unrelated.  If you think Saddam and Osama were buddys, then you are a victim of the Bush/Cheney misinformation campaign.  

You're missing a critical piece of this that is one of the most frightening for me.  I am a student of history, I do medieval re-creation for a hobby, and I've studied the rise and fall of the great Empires throuout history.  We are currently repeating the same mistakes that led to the fall of the Roman Empire.  Too many battles on too many fronts.  Too much corruption internally leads to mistrust on the part of the people.  The violence against the RNC that you posted about is a case and point example of this.

The world will align itself against us, and is beginning to.  The Islamic world is one thing, but the rest of the world now sees America as a threat (except for Britain and it's enormous commonwealth) and even they hate Bush.  Watch the House of Commons on C-span sometime.  In the meantime, back on the homefront, the polarization of the country is at Vietnam levels, domestic issues don't look promising, and the country seems to be at odds with itself.

After 9/11, the USA was united like I've never seen it.  Now it is divided like I've never seen it.  I truly believe that this is the result of the Bush Administration's policies on both foreign and domestic issues.  They are serving the interests of coorporate lobbyists, and Christian rightists.  Grantedly, a large chunk of the population, but not exactly what I call American interests.

It's interesting really...Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same "God".  They have fundamentally similar beliefs.  They disagree on the role of "prophets" ie: the muslims think Jesus was the prophet sent to the Jews, and that Mohammed was the prophet sent to the world.  They do acknowlege the Bible, but think that it was "tainted" by man.  The Christians think that Jesus is the only "way" to Heaven, and all others are wrong.  The Jews think they have an "Eternal Covenant" with God and will always be "The Chosen People"   They worship the same God, value the same principles and  yet there have been more murders in the name of that one God than any other cause in human history.  Militant Christianity is now in control of the most powerful military force on the planet.  They are no more or less radical than the Islamist Extremists upon which they have waged a Holy War.

 What Israel has done to the Palestinian people, with full support of the US Christian faction is a humanitarian atrocity.  It has been going on for three decades.  Why do you think the Palestinians are desperate enough to blow themselves up for the cause?  They are horribly oppressed by Isreal.  The "Wall" isn't even built within the legitimate "legal" boundaries of Israel.  Yet the US supports them.  What incredible hipocracy is the Christian faith in America?  Bush prays for guidance.  You really think that's God's voice in his head???
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2004, 03:44:00 PM »
Büsh and his cronies are frightening as hell. When asked how he thought history would regard his Iraq war, he responded to the effect that we don't have to worry about it because the end times are near. Never entrust your future to someone who doesn't believe there will be one!

You're right, Ant, the ppl of the mideast (especially, but not by any means exclusively) have plenty of good, valid reasons to hate and fear the USFG.

Interestingly, Americans seem to be just about the only people who have a hard time making the distinction between Americans and our federal government. Most of the world really doesn't hate America, they actually like us. They're just not too fond of having their homelands, farms, water supplies and downs covered in "depleted" uranium, reformulated Agent Orange (as in the erradication spraying program ongoing in So. America), School of the Americas (aka school of assasins) thugs, sanctions, embargos and all the rest.

But Kerry's only very slightly more moderate on foreign policy than Büsh. All he's promising is to get back to business as usual, which is how we got into this mess in the first place.

So really, I don't care that much which Ivy League, New England born and bred Bonesman takes up residence next year in the public housing unit on Pennsylvania Ave. It doesn't matter that much.

What I care about is that we elect local representatives w/ the balls and intelligence to shut down roughly 90% of federal programs and funding. If we are unable to rein in our out of control public "servants", some foreign power w/ more incentive will do it for us.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2004, 04:31:00 PM »
School of the Americas....thugs, its special ops training program that we use to train other countries. You have been reading too much BS propaganda on this one. Sorry Ginger but it is necessary....
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2004, 06:55:00 PM »
And Hitler was necessary to improve the German economy too.
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